Babies r' us

[missoak]

Went with my wife yesterday to Babies R' Us to pick out a shower gift. Was shocked to see a NO FIREARMS sign on the door. First one I've ever seen in Mi.
So I dis-armed & went in, longer I was in there, the more mad I got. When I looked around, all I could see were women & little kids. What a target that place would be for a would be perp!!! What the hell is wrong with these corporations? Can't they see how stupid they're being?
I for one will never go there again. Any one else feel this way, or is it just me?

 

[MH52]

Did you inform the manager and the corporation?

 

[CharonPDX]

I've seen it on Toys R' Us, too. Appears to be a company-wide thing.

Ah, here you go, someone asked a couple years ago, and got this response:

Dear Mr. McDonald,

I have included a copy of the Corporate Policy Regarding Firearms in Stores:

General Company Policy on Firearms

• At Toys“R”Us, Inc., the safety and security of our customers and our employees is, and always has been, our highest priority.

• As a retailer that welcomes millions of kids and families into our stores across the country each year, we take our responsibility to create only the safest shopping environment very seriously.

• While we respect citizens’ rights to carry firearms in public areas according to certain state laws, our company policy prohibits customers from doing so in any of our stores out of an abundance of caution for the safety and protection of the children and families shopping with us.

• We make our customers aware of this policy by posting signs at the front of each of our Toys“R”Us and Babies“R”Us stores nationwide.

• It is also our policy not to sell any toy gun that could be mistaken for a real gun. Toys“R”Us was the first retailer in the U.S. to adopt this policy, which was established in 1994.

I hope this answers your questions for you and you continue to shop with Toys "R" Us. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Sincerely,

Rich Latner
Corporate Guest Relations

Some people (including in the thread I found that in,) suggest just carrying concealed anyway, in spite of the signs. I think this is a horrible idea for multiple reasons:
1. Depending on where you are, the sign may constitute enough notice that you are automatically guilty of trespass by entering with a firearm. And in places that have such laws, they are likely to also have laws that by trespassing with a firearm you have just committed a felony. (Not all places have such laws, of course, but it is a very real risk.)
2. You're just showing the anti-gunners that people with guns just disobey the law, and need to be treated harshly.
3. You're continuing to support the company. If you want to protest this practice, quietly allowing it while flagrantly disobeying it isn't going to do it. Boycott or accept the decision and abide by it.

The only reason I have entered a Toys R' Us in the past few years is to exchange a gift that didn't work that was bought by the gift-giver there. (And was a Toys R' Us exclusive.)

If you don't like companies anti-gun policies, you have to decide if you are willing to put your gun away and continue to do business with them or boycott them until they change their policy. It is of course perfectly within their rights to ban firearms. It's up to responsible gun owners to deal with this how they want. Ignoring their request is *NOT* responsible. It is reckless.

 

[longslide10]

I would've ignored the sign. How would they know you're carrying anyway. Call headquarters and give 'em a piece of your mind. Tell them their sign invites crime knowing no one in there could protect themselves or other patrons and tell them that millions of Americans are armed and you will make sure your friends and relatives do not shop there for their being anti-gun and anti constitutionalists. Word of mouth can kill a business in no time and one person can make a difference. Remember that whiny woman that convinced advertisers to remove their ads that aired during Married With Children and almost got the show cancelled because SHE didn't approve of the show?

 

[The_Outlaw]

Went with my wife yesterday to Babies R' Us to pick out a shower gift. Was shocked to see a NO FIREARMS sign on the door. First one I've ever seen in Mi.
So I dis-armed & went in, longer I was in there, the more mad I got. When I looked around, all I could see were women & little kids. What a target that place would be for a would be perp!!! What the hell is wrong with these corporations? Can't they see how stupid they're being?
I for one will never go there again. Any one else feel this way, or is it just me?

Thanks for the info. I'll shop someplace else then. Screw them!

 

[Dana1956]

Oh boy! Now you've crowded my soap box. I am in an apparently one-woman campaign against Jo-Ann Fabric which has stores nation-wide. They have just recently posted their NO GUN signs. I had been going in their stores for the past 2 years armed. I wrote a nice letter to the corporate headquarters based in Hudson, Ohio and asked they why they have adopted this policy. I told them I have been shopping there for years and felt that I had had the door slammed in my face by an old friend. I got a (form) letter back from a Ms. Annette Garsteck. "Thank you for contacting us about the prohibition against concealed weapons and the sign posted at our Jo-Ann Fabric and Craft store. After thoughtful consideration, Jo-Ann decided to post the signs to create a comfortable shopping environment and experience for our customers. Jo-Ann recongizes that there are strong feelings on this issue, and that permit-holders are exercising their state right. Jo-Ann is also exercising its right under state law to post the sign. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you".
I wrote another polite letter back along with some articles that came from a Wisconsin news source that explored the possiblity that since businesses post the sign, does that now make them legally liable for the safety of their employees and customers? I also sent along an article and document of a case in TN where a woman was abducted from a Wal-Mart parking lot. She was raped and murdered. Her husband sued Wal-Mart and the company that owned the plaza around the Wal-Mart for not providing protection for customers IN THE PARKING LOT (emphasis mine). He was awarded $1, 680,000.00+. I'm still waiting to hear from Jo-Ann Fabric if they are going to guarentee my safety while I am shopping in their store....which is next door to a gambling parlor by-the-way.

 

[longslide10]

Oh boy! Now you've crowded my soap box. I am in an apparently one-woman campaign against Jo-Ann Fabric which has stores nation-wide. They have just recently posted their NO GUN signs. I had been going in their stores for the past 2 years armed. I wrote a nice letter to the corporate headquarters based in Hudson, Ohio and asked they why they have adopted this policy. I told them I have been shopping there for years and felt that I had had the door slammed in my face by an old friend. I got a (form) letter back from a Ms. Annette Garsteck. "Thank you for contacting us about the prohibition against concealed weapons and the sign posted at our Jo-Ann Fabric and Craft store. After thoughtful consideration, Jo-Ann decided to post the signs to create a comfortable shopping environment and experience for our customers. Jo-Ann recongizes that there are strong feelings on this issue, and that permit-holders are exercising their state right. Jo-Ann is also exercising its right under state law to post the sign. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you".
I wrote another polite letter back along with some articles that came from a Wisconsin news source that explored the possiblity that since businesses post the sign, does that now make them legally liable for the safety of their employees and customers? I also sent along an article and document of a case in TN where a woman was abducted from a Wal-Mart parking lot. She was raped and murdered. Her husband sued Wal-Mart and the company that owned the plaza around the Wal-Mart for not providing protection for customers IN THE PARKING LOT (emphasis mine). He was awarded $1, 680,000.00+. I'm still waiting to hear from Jo-Ann Fabric if they are going to guarentee my safety while I am shopping in their store....which is next door to a gambling parlor by-the-way.

That's brilliant. I like that. Maybe if enough lawsuits are filed against anti-gun businesses on the fact they become responsible for their patrons safety when they post those ridiculous signs.

 

[Bondhead88]

I've seen it on Toys R' Us, too. Appears to be a company-wide thing.

Ah, here you go, someone asked a couple years ago, and got this response:


Some people (including in the thread I found that in,) suggest just carrying concealed anyway, in spite of the signs. I think this is a horrible idea for multiple reasons:
1. Depending on where you are, the sign may constitute enough notice that you are automatically guilty of trespass by entering with a firearm. And in places that have such laws, they are likely to also have laws that by trespassing with a firearm you have just committed a felony. (Not all places have such laws, of course, but it is a very real risk.)
2. You're just showing the anti-gunners that people with guns just disobey the law, and need to be treated harshly.
3. You're continuing to support the company. If you want to protest this practice, quietly allowing it while flagrantly disobeying it isn't going to do it. Boycott or accept the decision and abide by it.

The only reason I have entered a Toys R' Us in the past few years is to exchange a gift that didn't work that was bought by the gift-giver there. (And was a Toys R' Us exclusive.)

If you don't like companies anti-gun policies, you have to decide if you are willing to put your gun away and continue to do business with them or boycott them until they change their policy. It is of course perfectly within their rights to ban firearms. It's up to responsible gun owners to deal with this how they want. Ignoring their request is *NOT* responsible. It is reckless.

I disagree with you. If I know a retailer has a policy of no guns (Like Jareds)I will not go there. But if i din't know and I got there and it had a sign I would keep it concealed go get what I had come for. Once I was finished I would not come back until their policy had changed

In Indiana it has no force of law. They are not within their rights to put my life at risk. Suzanna Hupp says she made the stupidest decision of her life when she took her gun out of her purse and left it in the car because Texas law forbade her to take it into the Lubeys.

These incidents happen all over the place in the flash of an eye and while I have no desire to live as a criminal nor do I wish to go to jail but many have said i would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

It is never reckless to maintain your security or the security of your family. We are constantly told by liberals we have to change and adapt to conform to them. We cannot have things done our way, we must do them there way. Well I think we need to start changing that philosophy and have them adapt to us. I will not put myself at risk I will not take a chance on others who may or may not be able to protect me. My rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness doesn't stop on a 8x11 sheet of photocopied warning.

 

[jrtyson72]

Aye, but is'nt the most they can do is tell you to leave? I must research this further but I was under the impression that if there is not a 30:06 sign which is required by state law to prevent you from carrying inside, you are free to do so without repercution.

 

[muccione]

This is why Toys r us Corp. did this

2 dead after shooting in crowded Toys 'R' Us - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

Personally I try to NOT to go there.But I never seem to "look" or see any signage. My bad. My IWB crossbreed work VERY good.

The possible trespass charge is a misdemeanor here in NC. But think about it. IF someone happens to see my gun they will kindly ask me to put it outside or leave, so I would just leave.. .

 

[Keykutter]

I really don't think, in the JoAnn's case, that putting a concealed weapons banned sign in a window has any thing to do with making customers feel safer.

I really don't think there are any customers who only go shopping in stores who restrict concealed weapons. On the same note, I think you would be hard pressed to see anybody sigh in relief when they saw the sign, much less even realize it was even there if they did not have a permit themselves.

No, this is just some corporate gun banner who is trying to make a statement, as puny as it really is. There are plenty of other cloth places around.

Thanks for the heads up on the r'us places. There are certainly other places to buy those goods also.

KK

 

[CharonPDX]

I really don't think, in the JoAnn's case, that putting a concealed weapons banned sign in a window has any thing to do with making customers feel safer.

It has everything to do with making certain customers feel safer. "Oh, look, there won't be any guns here, I feel much safer now..." Just like how well that works in Chicago...
Chicago in 2010: 15.2 murders per 100K people
Houston (largest city with "shall issue" concealed carry) 11.8/100K
Phoenix (largest city with open carry - plus no-license concealed carry,) 7.6/100K

 

[Dana1956]

Ok....maybe it was the fact that I ran in there one day, waving my gun in the air and shouting, "Alright! Show me where the yarn is and no one gets hurt!" Just kidding I hope you know, but the whole thing is ridiculous!

 

[longslide10]

This is Florida's position on "no guns" signs:

Do “No Gun Signs” Have the Force of Law?
“NO”
"Handgunlaw.us highly recommends that you not enter a place that is posted "No Firearms" no matter what the state laws read/mean on signage. We recommend you print out the No Guns = No Money Cards and give one to the owner of the establishment that has the signage." As responsible gun owners and upholders of the 2nd Amendment we should also honor the rights of property owners to control their own property even if we disagree with them."
”No Firearm” signs in Florida have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are ask to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass etc. could arrest you even if you are within the law.

 

[Keykutter]

It has everything to do with making certain customers feel safer. "Oh, look, there won't be any guns here, I feel much safer now..." Just like how well that works in Chicago...
Chicago in 2010: 15.2 murders per 100K people
Houston (largest city with "shall issue" concealed carry) 11.8/100K
Phoenix (largest city with open carry - plus no-license concealed carry,) 7.6/100K

I may have mis-stated what I meant. I'm sure that's what is intended, but I don't think it is even noticed by non-gun people. It's some corporate dogooder douing their part to save society.

KK

 

[walt629]

I would've ignored the sign. How would they know you're carrying anyway.

But by going into the store and conducting business with the store you're actually condoning the decision of the store. You may see it as an acto of defiance to fly in the face of the authority that wants to prevent you from entry while armed but in fact you're helping their cause.

However from here, you're right on target!

Call headquarters and give 'em a piece of your mind. Tell them their sign invites crime knowing no one in there could protect themselves or other patrons and tell them that millions of Americans are armed and you will make sure your friends and relatives do not shop there for their being anti-gun and anti constitutionalists. Word of mouth can kill a business in no time and one person can make a difference. Remember that whiny woman that convinced advertisers to remove their ads that aired during Married With Children and almost got the show cancelled because SHE didn't approve of the show?

 

[walt629]

After all... that "no gun" sign is going to stop the disgruntaled husband with a long criminal history from charging in to the store and killing everyone around so he can steal his babby child from the woman that put him in jail for domestic violence and took custody of their baby away from him in the first place. Yep! That sign will stop him in his track and everyone inside will be safe and sound. Just because of that sign.

My version of sarchasim or gallows humor. Which ever.