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Phillip Gain

Phillip Gain

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I've been seeing a lot of this lately:

I have a permit from X. I'm traveling this summer through states A, B, C, D, E, F, and G. I'm stopping only in states B, D, and G. What do I do?
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First thing you do is some research. It is your responsibility to know and abide by the laws of the states in which you will be traveling. It is irresponsible to expect accurate answers from faceless forum folks. And it is downright LAZY to expect other forum members to do your homework for you.

Before you ask questions, start by referencing these sites:


This is just the beginning. You should also check the official website of each state you plan to visit. You will usually find a section on firearms laws as applied to residents and non-residents.
 
I often think the same thing when I see that type of post. I can understand when a specific inquiry is made to understand a specific law in a different state. I live in NC and will be moving to FL in June or July and I am fully aware of what I will need to do to get my FL CCW permit. I think this is one of the best forums on the net and the topics covered are very interesting. Thanks to all the great posters here for their experience!
 
Using the USACarry map, be sure to clear the map between entering non-resident permits (FL, UT) It confuses the map if you don't!!
 
I always wonder why they just don't click the link at the top of the page. Someone is always having to post the link for them. I just shake my head & move on. ;)
 
When I recieved my Concealed Carry Permit the first thing I did was buy the book Traverler's Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States by J. Scott Kappas, Esq. I keep it in the travel case for my gun so the book goes everywhere I travel and I have each states laws so there's no confusion.
 
Stacey Strick said:
When I recieved my Concealed Carry Permit the first thing I did was buy the book Traverler's Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States by J. Scott Kappas, Esq. I keep it in the travel case for my gun so the book goes everywhere I travel and I have each states laws so there's no confusion.
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Laws CHANGE. Your printed book does not. Do yourself a favor and RESEARCH before you travel.
 
I agree with Phillip on doing the research... the links you provided are excellent resources, but remember they sometimes have mistakes so it is also better to doublecheck with the states that you are traveling to and from...call the local LE and make sure you got the correct information.

knowledge is power and in this day and era..it pays to know the laws..
 
Phillip Gain said:
I've been seeing a lot of this lately:



First thing you do is some research. It is your responsibility to know and abide by the laws of the states in which you will be traveling. It is irresponsible to expect accurate answers from faceless forum folks. And it is downright LAZY to expect other forum members to do your homework for you.

Before you ask questions, start by referencing these sites:

This is just the beginning. You should also check the official website of each state you plan to visit. You will usually find a section on firearms laws as applied to residents and non-residents.
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Phillip. THANK YOU for addressing this! I see SO many questions in the forum that should be researched using specific statutes rather than the well-intentioned answers from "strangers." Some questions actually worry me.
 
Those with Androids can also get CCW - Concealed Carry 50 state by Workman Consulting, I believe it cost me $1.99, but they do a really good job of updating laws as they become public. When NM dropped and then reinstated reciprocity for several states they had the app updated before I read about the change. Sorry, but at this time they do not make an Iphone app; I know because I checked for a friend of mine.
 
I completely agree with the notion that you have to do your own homework and need to take responsibility for your own actions. I must say that these questions, when posted, are useful nonetheless. It allows some others who enjoy the research to look up or freshen up on laws that they don't fully know. Or, in other cases, allows otherwise knowledgable people to ask questions of locals in states that have intricate laws.

For example: if you were to research on carry in Las Vegas casinos, you will find almost nothing on the topic online, on the Las Vegas PD site, or the Nevada Attorney General's page. What is the law on it?

Another example: Try finding statutes pertaining to carry on tribal lands. Not so easy. Does FOPA protect you there? That is still a question that has no answer in statute. The sharing of experience is the only information on this one.

While it is convenient to say "do your own homework", the posting does allow for education and correction of incorrect notions. This being said, never take what someone here says without verifying it. I wouldn't be my freedom on it.
 
Some people have looked up the info but still come up for help. Like me, i read fopa law but until i came up here i would also been violating it. i didnt know with rounds in the mag gun was still considered loaded even with mag in seperate compartment. So maybe these people arent just lazy but not quite sure on the wording of the law. Plus there is a section for this on this forum, traveling with handguns, and i thought you were free to ask questions like that in that section.
 
stingray2100 said:
I agree with Phillip on doing the research... the links you provided are excellent resources, but remember they sometimes have mistakes so it is also better to doublecheck with the states that you are traveling to and from...call the local LE and make sure you got the correct information.

knowledge is power and in this day and era..it pays to know the laws..
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Note that I said in my post, to cross-reference the links with the websites of the states in which one plans to travel.

I recommend against calling the local law enforcement folks. Police are not attorneys, and they often are not as knowledgeable about gun laws as they should be.
 
BIGJOHN621 said:
I completely agree with the notion that you have to do your own homework and need to take responsibility for your own actions. I must say that these questions, when posted, are useful nonetheless. It allows some others who enjoy the research to look up or freshen up on laws that they don't fully know. Or, in other cases, allows otherwise knowledgable people to ask questions of locals in states that have intricate laws.

For example: if you were to research on carry in Las Vegas casinos, you will find almost nothing on the topic online, on the Las Vegas PD site, or the Nevada Attorney General's page. What is the law on it?

Another example: Try finding statutes pertaining to carry on tribal lands. Not so easy. Does FOPA protect you there? That is still a question that has no answer in statute. The sharing of experience is the only information on this one.

While it is convenient to say "do your own homework", the posting does allow for education and correction of incorrect notions. This being said, never take what someone here says without verifying it. I wouldn't be my freedom on it.
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Questions such as the examples you gave (Las Vegas casinos and tribal lands) are excellent examples of useful questions to ask.

Another useful question would be something like "I researched this on the Handgunlaw.us, and it conflicts with what I read on the North Carolina and NRA-ILA website - can anyone clarify how these laws are actually being enforced in practice?"

Questions such as the example I gave in my original post, are NOT really useful at all, posted either by folks who are too lazy to do their own research, or by trolls who get their rocks off by getting a bunch of people to do research for no good reason.
 
Phillip Gain said:
I've been seeing a lot of this lately:



First thing you do is some research. It is your responsibility to know and abide by the laws of the states in which you will be traveling. It is irresponsible to expect accurate answers from faceless forum folks. And it is downright LAZY to expect other forum members to do your homework for you.

Before you ask questions, start by referencing these sites:


This is just the beginning. You should also check the official website of each state you plan to visit. You will usually find a section on firearms laws as applied to residents and non-residents.
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I am guess this is somewhat aimed at me (I posted the last 2 questions before this post)

by all means it is everybody is responsible for their own actions. why I ask here is: 1 laws can be very complicated and confusing often (read 10 laws but miss the 11th because you did know where to look and you can really be screwed) so I ask, locals should have some idea what it all boils down too, 2. it can save a lot of time reading laws to in the end find the action in question is illegal, if you just ask ("nope sorry, that is a no go under XXX-XX, b (XX)") 3. if someone doesn't have time/doesn't want to share their knowledge they don't have too, I for one am always glad to share what I know of gun laws. 4. laws might read one way but they are enforced a little different and trips are not the time for a civil rights campaign. also when you are trying to research 5 or so states at once it is easy to get they laws confused or mixed, so it can be very helpful for someone to say 'states: A 1, 3 and 4 are legal, but 2 and 5 are not. B 1,2,4 and 5 are fine but not 3 or 6. C 1 is but 2,3,4 and 5 are a no go, D 1-8 you are fine so long as you aren't planning a felony'

so I ask, do research, do research off any answers, ask about what I find in research all at once. that is kinda what I thought forums were for.
 
What can you do when you have made the attempts at researching the stautues to get your answer and can't find a absolute answer.
I have made contact with the following entities about the public transportation of an AR-15 Pistol (SGM 9) without a successful reply:
BATFE (Cleveland Field Office, Agent Judith Deloux) they confirm that it is a pistol platform and as long as it is not modified it will remain a pistol., local Ohio State Patrol Office (Tuscarawas County, New Philadelphia, Ohio) they referred me to the county sheriff's office since they handle and issue CCW Permits for Ohio., Tuscarawas County Sheriffs Office (Deputy Lon McEnroe) they told me that they could only speak for their local jurisdiction and that I would need to contact the State Attorney General's Office., State Ohio Attorney Generals Office (Jason, handles CCW affairs questions) he adives that he could not issue an oppinion to me personally as I as an Ohio Citizen is not considered a client of the office and that I should contact the local prosecutors office to get an opinion or have them request an opinion from the Attrorney Generals office., Tuscarawas County Procecutors Office (Bob Stephenson) spoke to him while composing this post and he will be sending me background information regarding this questing by mail, he didn't personally know of the pistol platform on an AR-15 reciever. When I have more information I will update.
 
dogshawred said:
What can you do when you have made the attempts at researching the stautues to get your answer and can't find a absolute answer.
I have made contact with the following entities about the public transportation of an AR-15 Pistol (SGM 9) without a successful reply:
BATFE (Cleveland Field Office, Agent Judith Deloux) they confirm that it is a pistol platform and as long as it is not modified it will remain a pistol., local Ohio State Patrol Office (Tuscarawas County, New Philadelphia, Ohio) they referred me to the county sheriff's office since they handle and issue CCW Permits for Ohio., Tuscarawas County Sheriffs Office (Deputy Lon McEnroe) they told me that they could only speak for their local jurisdiction and that I would need to contact the State Attorney General's Office., State Ohio Attorney Generals Office (Jason, handles CCW affairs questions) he adives that he could not issue an oppinion to me personally as I as an Ohio Citizen is not considered a client of the office and that I should contact the local prosecutors office to get an opinion or have them request an opinion from the Attrorney Generals office., Tuscarawas County Procecutors Office (Bob Stephenson) spoke to him while composing this post and he will be sending me background information regarding this questing by mail, he didn't personally know of the pistol platform on an AR-15 reciever. When I have more information I will update.
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Was there a question in there somewhere?
 
Would writing to the Attorneys General of states we'd be travelling to and through asking for specific clarification also be a reasonable bit of research, or has experience shown this to be a wasteful (or worse, invalid) source of information?
 
If you ever got an answer, and that's a big if, that answer wouldn't be any better than what you'd get from reliable sources on the internet. And in some cases it could be worse. Most AGs can only answer for their own state, not for interstate travel, and even then they sometimes get the facts wrong. If they have a web site with the laws and/or FAQS posted, that's a good source for in state information, but letters aren't going to get you any better info for interstate travel.
 
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