At&t

[Dgrits]

Haven't searched to see if they have already been mentioned, but it is immediate termination if you're caught with a firearm on company property. This also includes having one in your personal vehicle.

 

[nogods]

does that apply to workers covered by a union contract?

 

[walknotinfear]

I read the AT@T policy and it does say no firearms on property. My question to that is how are they going to know you have a gun in your car? Only a law enforcement officer with probable cause has the right to search your car or after you are arrested. My friend works there and he sent me the policy a few minutes ago. There did seem to be a grey area in the policy because it stated it was up to your manager to make exceptions to the no weapon policy. If I did work for a company and my boss asked to search my car I would tell him he better get a warrant because he is not getting into my car.

Here is a good question, has anyone actually had there vehicle searched by a private employer?

 

[julez456]

Verizon has same exact policy. I work for Verizon and they don't allow guns on the property, not even in our private vehicles if it's parked in their parking lot. And yes we are union for the person that asked about AT&T.

 

[CathyInBlue]

That happy horseshot would not fly in Indiana. Employers are not allowed to do squat, including knowing, about employee firearms in locked private automobiles, parked on company property or not. If they try to take adverse action against you, you get a payday outta them.

After that law passed, employers started adding questions about firearms ownership to their standard battery of interview questions to try to weed out gun owners likely to take advantage of such a law. That lead to the GA passing another law forbidding questions about firearms ownership in an interview process. As Verizon and AT&T both have stores in Indiana, that means they already have to operate that way SOMEWHERE.

Maybe, like our pioneering laws requiring state-issued photo-ID to vote, (I know, Indiana did not pioneer the guns in the parking lot laws, but still) other states, like New York, will follow our example.

 

[cawpin]

That happy horseshot would not fly in Indiana. Employers are not allowed to do squat, including knowing, about employee firearms in locked private automobiles, parked on company property or not. If they try to take adverse action against you, you get a payday outta them.

After that law passed, employers started adding questions about firearms ownership to their standard battery of interview questions to try to weed out gun owners likely to take advantage of such a law. That lead to the GA passing another law forbidding questions about firearms ownership in an interview process. As Verizon and AT&T both have stores in Indiana, that means they already have to operate that way SOMEWHERE.

Maybe, like our pioneering laws requiring state-issued photo-ID to vote, (I know, Indiana did not pioneer the guns in the parking lot laws, but still) other states, like New York, will follow our example.

That's what I was going to say. I know Indiana passed that law, I'm from there, as well as Arizona, I live there now.

 

[JJSwiontek]

Hi all! AT&T Comm Tech for 31 years. When AT&T bought Alaska Communications, they told all Alas-Com employees that they couldn't be armed. Well, work stopped. Some of the remote sites are in the middle of very hungry and big nature and the techs would not go out unarmed. Period. It took a while, but AT&T coporate realized it's error and changed the policy for Alas-Comm only. The rest of us in the lower 49 are defenseless.

To my knowledge, no vehicle has ever been searched on AT&T property. The company does repeat the "no guns" message every spring. Of course, no one has ever sued AT&T for being forced to be defenseless from home to work and back. So, yeah, it's a gray area.

 

[SmackD]

I used to work at a tire company proving grounds. Test cars hit deer with alarming regularity, so they allowed deer hunting. But the company had a no gun policy. I read the rules closely and nothing ever said, "There is an exception for deer hunting." So we were technically violating the rules. Also, just about every employee hunted, so they all had guns in their cars in the parking lot...even though it was against the rules. Also it is legal in that state to carry a loaded weapon in your car without a permit. I was chatting about drugs with the head of Security--Barney Fife, if I recall correctly---and said that if an employee didn't permit a requested search, he would be terminated. I asked, "If you found something you weren't targeting (ie guns), what would you do." He mumbled an answer, but I'm pretty sure the correct answer was "Depends on who you are." A bright, young, lower-paid engineer would get a reprimand, while an older, not-quite-as-productive-but-well-paid engineer might get the boot.
"Don't trust the government. Hell, don't trust you company."

 

[el maestro]

In Texas AT&T Legal department sent a clarification when the question was asked. In Texas it is LEGAL to have your firearm out of sight in your locked vehicle. They clarified that although a gun on company premises is not allowed, Texas specifically states that the parking lot of a business is not considered "company premises". The reason legal was consulted was because management in their ill attempt to confuse sent out a memo after the Texas parking lot law went into effect. This memo had a prior date making it null and void.

 

[fudo]

In Texas AT&T Legal department sent a clarification when the question was asked. In Texas it is LEGAL to have your firearm out of sight in your locked vehicle. They clarified that although a gun on company premises is not allowed, Texas specifically states that the parking lot of a business is not considered "company premises". The reason legal was consulted was because management in their ill attempt to confuse sent out a memo after the Texas parking lot law went into effect. This memo had a prior date making it null and void.

Oklahoma has the same law regarding firearms in care in parking lots.

 

[S&W645]

Hi all! AT&T Comm Tech for 31 years. When AT&T bought Alaska Communications, they told all Alas-Com employees that they couldn't be armed. Well, work stopped. Some of the remote sites are in the middle of very hungry and big nature and the techs would not go out unarmed. Period. It took a while, but AT&T coporate realized it's error and changed the policy for Alas-Comm only. The rest of us in the lower 49 are defenseless.

To my knowledge, no vehicle has ever been searched on AT&T property. The company does repeat the "no guns" message every spring. Of course, no one has ever sued AT&T for being forced to be defenseless from home to work and back. So, yeah, it's a gray area.

The only gray area in Florida would be in how much the employee would get from AT&T for violating the law. Florida law overrides AT&T's rules. Parking lot of AT&T is covered under:

790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.—
(1) SHORT TITLE.—This section may be cited as the “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”
(2) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Parking lot” means any property that is used for parking motor vehicles and is available to customers, employees, or invitees for temporary or long-term parking or storage of motor vehicles.
(b) “Motor vehicle” means any automobile, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, motor home, recreational vehicle, motorcycle, motor scooter, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state and required to be registered under state law.
(c) “Employee” means any person who possesses a valid license issued pursuant to s. 790.06 and:
1. Works for salary, wages, or other remuneration;
2. Is an independent contractor; or
3. Is a volunteer, intern, or other similar individual for an employer.
(d) “Employer” means any business that is a sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, limited liability company, professional association, cooperative, joint venture, trust, firm, institution, or association, or public sector entity, that has employees.
(e) “Invitee” means any business invitee, including a customer or visitor, who is lawfully on the premises of a public or private employer.

As used in this section, the term “firearm” includes ammunition and accoutrements attendant to the lawful possession and use of a firearm.
(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.—This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity. It is the finding of the Legislature that a citizen’s lawful possession, transportation, and secure keeping of firearms and ammunition within his or her motor vehicle is essential to the exercise of the fundamental constitutional right to keep and bear arms and the constitutional right of self-defense. The Legislature finds that protecting and preserving these rights is essential to the exercise of freedom and individual responsibility. The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.
(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.

This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.
(5) DUTY OF CARE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYERS; IMMUNITY FROM LIABILITY.—
(a) When subject to the provisions of subsection (4), a public or private employer has no duty of care related to the actions prohibited under such subsection.
(b) A public or private employer is not liable in a civil action based on actions or inactions taken in compliance with this section. The immunity provided in this subsection does not apply to civil actions based on actions or inactions of public or private employers that are unrelated to compliance with this section.
(c) Nothing contained in this section shall be interpreted to expand any existing duty, or create any additional duty, on the part of a public or private employer, property owner, or property owner’s agent.
(6) ENFORCEMENT.—The Attorney General shall enforce the protections of this act on behalf of any customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act. If there is reasonable cause to believe that the aggrieved person’s rights under this act have been violated by a public or private employer, the Attorney General shall commence a civil or administrative action for damages, injunctive relief and civil penalties, and such other relief as may be appropriate under the provisions of s. 760.51, or may negotiate a settlement with any employer on behalf of any person aggrieved under the act. However, nothing in this act shall prohibit the right of a person aggrieved under this act to bring a civil action for violation of rights protected under the act. In any successful action brought by a customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act, the court shall award all reasonable personal costs and losses suffered by the aggrieved person as a result of the violation of rights under this act. In any action brought pursuant to this act, the court shall award all court costs and attorney’s fees to the prevailing party.
(7) EXCEPTIONS.—The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a) Any school property as defined and regulated under s. 790.115.
(b) Any correctional institution regulated under s. 944.47 or chapter 957.
(c) Any property where a nuclear-powered electricity generation facility is located.
(d) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which are conducted substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security.
(e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.
(f) A motor vehicle owned, leased, or rented by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer.
(g) Any other property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which possession of a firearm or other legal product by a customer, employee, or invitee is prohibited pursuant to any federal law, contract with a federal government entity, or general law of this state.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2008-7.

 

[rchance]

If you concealed carried who would know anyway? I wouldn't tell any coworkers though.

 

[NickFro]

I dont know about other states but in florida employers & businesses are not allowed to prevent you from keeping your firearm in your car as long as its not visible and in the open.
FL statue 790.251 (4) (a)

 

[eagleeyes]

all them crown conglomerates want to disarm citizens ;( yet they keep their armed guards to protect their interests and will stop at nothing to protect them including blowing up buildings nations people and any non crown competition they can

 

[panellam]

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but here is part of the Florida Statute 790.251 as it relates to employers even asking if you have a weapon, much less if you have it in your vehicle. I understand if you employer has a department of defense contract, or deals with nuclear energy at the specific work location, then can ban weapons....here is part of the statute if anyone is interested.

(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.

 

[Uscgeng69]

I was gonna post about AT&T then I saw this one. I went in a store a couple weeks ago here in VA and there was that "NO FIREARMS" sign. Guess they think that 80 year old armed security guard in there was enough. Anyway, went in yesterday, sign is gone. Same old security guard though. I was going in there armed regardless of that sign anyway though. Concealed is concealed.

 

[dusterdude]

My local store(colonial heights va)too.went in to pay my bill a month or so ago and saw the sign on the door,i told the manager if it was still there when my contract was up,im gone

 

[nodaywithout]

I read the AT@T policy and it does say no firearms on property. My question to that is how are they going to know you have a gun in your car? Only a law enforcement officer with probable cause has the right to search your car or after you are arrested. My friend works there and he sent me the policy a few minutes ago. There did seem to be a grey area in the policy because it stated it was up to your manager to make exceptions to the no weapon policy. If I did work for a company and my boss asked to search my car I would tell him he better get a warrant because he is not getting into my car.

Here is a good question, has anyone actually had there vehicle searched by a private employer?

I have not had my car searched by my employer, however i do know of three people who worked for William Energy (could be wrong on the company) here in Oklahoma and were fired for having firearms in their cars. They sued and lost. Unfortunately this was before Oklahoma had a law preventing employers from having any rule or policy against having a firearm in their personal vehicle.

 

[Rayb]

Many states have passed laws regarding the ability to have your guns in the car in the parking lot. I would recommend that everyone check their states law and use it.

 

[jabatam]

That happy horseshot would not fly in Indiana. Employers are not allowed to do squat, including knowing, about employee firearms in locked private automobiles, parked on company property or not. If they try to take adverse action against you, you get a payday outta them.

After that law passed, employers started adding questions about firearms ownership to their standard battery of interview questions to try to weed out gun owners likely to take advantage of such a law. That lead to the GA passing another law forbidding questions about firearms ownership in an interview process. As Verizon and AT&T both have stores in Indiana, that means they already have to operate that way SOMEWHERE.

Maybe, like our pioneering laws requiring state-issued photo-ID to vote, (I know, Indiana did not pioneer the guns in the parking lot laws, but still) other states, like New York, will follow our example.

Yeah but, in Indiana, employers can fire you for no reason at all