Armed patients can be denied treatment.
- Thread starter Knourek
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Funny how all these "problems" that Wisconsin can come up with about concealed carry just aren't "problems" in the other 48 states that have allowed concealed carry for years. No other state that I know of requires EMS to ask about concealed firearms and disarm victims/patients.
Doug Rowan
New member
wow
Wow, another great solution with no problem. seriously folks, WHY would this be an issue. IF a criminal has a weapon, do you REALLY think he will (A.) admit it (B.) disarm himself. But what I do see is a criminal holding the EMS at gunpoint to help him. Ugh, what a stupid law.
Our local hospitals have put up a "NO WEAPONS" sign, including a photo of a small folding pocket knife and a Glock. So on days I have to go to the doctor I carry my LCP and straight blade.... and wow, no one has been injured there. (course signs in the state of Iowa are "recommendations" not the force of the law)
My thoughts are, there have been several incidents at the one hospital that I go to with idiots doing stupid things, I am not going to lose my self defense rights because I have to pick up a prescription.
Wow, another great solution with no problem. seriously folks, WHY would this be an issue. IF a criminal has a weapon, do you REALLY think he will (A.) admit it (B.) disarm himself. But what I do see is a criminal holding the EMS at gunpoint to help him. Ugh, what a stupid law.
Our local hospitals have put up a "NO WEAPONS" sign, including a photo of a small folding pocket knife and a Glock. So on days I have to go to the doctor I carry my LCP and straight blade.... and wow, no one has been injured there. (course signs in the state of Iowa are "recommendations" not the force of the law)
My thoughts are, there have been several incidents at the one hospital that I go to with idiots doing stupid things, I am not going to lose my self defense rights because I have to pick up a prescription.
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
As a former Paramedic in Texas, I have no issue, Only two people in texas can ask to see license Judge/Magistrate or LEO. Says nothing about EMT. As noted a non issue brought up by do nothing liberals.
Bigcarlover
New member
"Sorry sir. You daughter died while we waited for law enforcement to arrive since no one was comfortable securing her gun."
I worked on the ambulance for a few years and ran an air ambulance for a while. My only concern was how to deliver the best care to the patient. Yes, the safety of the responder is primary but I have never worried about whether the patient was packing heat. I've treated a number of GSW (gun shot wounds) and in each case the patient was happy to see me roll in. If we felt there was a danger we were always free to send the police in first but asking each patient if they had a firearm? This is crazy and blows the whole situation out of perspective. If you asked about every possible danger to a medic you would never have time to treat the patient. Guns are way down on the list of dangers and when they are a threat to a medic you will know without asking.
I once was on an air medivac for a GSW. The perpetrator knew the victim and wanted to accompany the ambulance to the hospital. After a consult with the local health care professional I decided to take both back to the hospital. This saved the Troopers a flight, and removed a threat from the community. I did take some added precautions but nothing extreme. The Troopers met the plane and I took the patient to the hospital.
To put this in perspective I was in more danger from blood or even a cough than I ever was from a gun. On the rare occasion that we had a violent patient they were easy to handle. If there was a female responder I would just turn the patient over to her. She would start yelling at him, his eyes would go wide, and he would calm down. First time I saw it I just shook my head in disbelief but it worked every time. Asking a question like this as a routine part of treatment is pure politics and does not belong in health care. Do we disarm the cops too?
I once was on an air medivac for a GSW. The perpetrator knew the victim and wanted to accompany the ambulance to the hospital. After a consult with the local health care professional I decided to take both back to the hospital. This saved the Troopers a flight, and removed a threat from the community. I did take some added precautions but nothing extreme. The Troopers met the plane and I took the patient to the hospital.
To put this in perspective I was in more danger from blood or even a cough than I ever was from a gun. On the rare occasion that we had a violent patient they were easy to handle. If there was a female responder I would just turn the patient over to her. She would start yelling at him, his eyes would go wide, and he would calm down. First time I saw it I just shook my head in disbelief but it worked every time. Asking a question like this as a routine part of treatment is pure politics and does not belong in health care. Do we disarm the cops too?
VERY good point!
Deserteagle
New member
I see a lawsuit here:
Man bleeds to death in front of paramedics. He was unconscious and could not provide an answer to the paramedic's question of: "Can you please disarm?"
Man bleeds to death in front of paramedics. He was unconscious and could not provide an answer to the paramedic's question of: "Can you please disarm?"
golocx4
Got Beretta's?
Start labeling all of these concerned types as hoplophobic.
Calling names is what the left does to demonize any opposition.
It has worked for gays, illegal immigration, extending obama bucks, obama care etc.
“It’s one of those things — it’s top-shelf, top-of-mind just because there’s so much media coverage (of the concealed carry law),” said BRF EMS Chief Brad Chown.
“I just think we should be proactive about it to give our members a sense of security about how they should handle a situation.”
The you say, Cheif Chown, how long have you be a hoplophobe? He will the stutter and stammer.
So you follow up with. Have you be hoplophobic all your life or did you become a hoplophobe over night.
Again with the stutter and stammer.
Chief, do you wife and kids know that you are a hoplophobe?
Just sayin, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Calling names is what the left does to demonize any opposition.
It has worked for gays, illegal immigration, extending obama bucks, obama care etc.
“It’s one of those things — it’s top-shelf, top-of-mind just because there’s so much media coverage (of the concealed carry law),” said BRF EMS Chief Brad Chown.
“I just think we should be proactive about it to give our members a sense of security about how they should handle a situation.”
The you say, Cheif Chown, how long have you be a hoplophobe? He will the stutter and stammer.
So you follow up with. Have you be hoplophobic all your life or did you become a hoplophobe over night.
Again with the stutter and stammer.
Chief, do you wife and kids know that you are a hoplophobe?
Just sayin, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
I'm just afraid it will spread to the Fire Dept.
''Sorry we can't put out that house fire, there was a report of weapons!''
and back to the EMS,
as concealed as concealed is supposed to be, I believe we would be breaking the rules by even telling a non LEO that we were carrying a weapon.
I will get 18 stitches and a fine for brandishing?
and just try an track down your surrendered weapon after it changes hands how many times while you are being treated.
''Sorry we can't put out that house fire, there was a report of weapons!''
and back to the EMS,
as concealed as concealed is supposed to be, I believe we would be breaking the rules by even telling a non LEO that we were carrying a weapon.
I will get 18 stitches and a fine for brandishing?
and just try an track down your surrendered weapon after it changes hands how many times while you are being treated.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
I agree the law is stupid...but in reality, it will not stop treatment if its life threatening. a life threatening emergency, the patient will be exposed (have their clothes cut off) pretty much immediately. If they have a holstered firearm, or knife, or what not, it goes in the cloths box, we report it to the Leo's to take it at the scene or meet us at the hospital, not because they need to check it, but to properly process it into the hospital vault so the patient can retrieve it later. Same goes with the patients jewelry, purses, and wallets.
If the patient is unconscious or unresponsive to painful stimuli, that is taken as implied consent, patient will be naked quickly. We get good at making people naked.
The law is redundant, and solves nothing that hasn't all ready been addressed.
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If the patient is unconscious or unresponsive to painful stimuli, that is taken as implied consent, patient will be naked quickly. We get good at making people naked.
The law is redundant, and solves nothing that hasn't all ready been addressed.
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