Armed Citizen Screwed The Pooch?

[hogwylde]

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Here's one to stir up the community;

This occurred in the densely populated, high traffic, upper middle class to wealthy, west end of Little Rock

I'm not sure if you're from Arkansas or not but I am from Malvern,AR although I currently live in Massachusetts. A little over 10 years ago, I saw a show that said Little Rock has more gang related violence per capita than NY and LA combined! The HBO special was called Gang Banging in Little Rock.

 

[John Taylor]

A witness did state, he was firing up, like in the movies so everyone would duck or hit the ground, or because he is an idiot. I had access to a few details, but I was still too quick to judge. I wish he had hit his mark, at least. The gun crimes are out of control around here.
Two were stolen from a residence while waiting over an hour for a patrolman to get freed up from all his false alarms and domestic bs. it was first reported as a crime in progress, with the BG still on scene. I heard the broadcast by the officer as he reported a fully loaded .40 cal. and .22 were stolen. He sounded a little sick, 2 more on the street. Over 20, many were , you know, "Assualt" rifles, were taken from a residence. lock em up people

 

[festus]

nobody is talking about the elephant in the room...

I WILL!

The armed citizen fired and missed the perp! He hit a passing car. That could have just as easily been a school bus full of kids going to band camp, or a jogging mom with a roller stroller and twins. What if the passing car were an unmarked patrol vehicle or a tanker truck full of anhydrous ammonia or chlorine gas?

Like I said before, we are responsible for every round we fire. If you can't pull off the shot with 100% certainty and your life is not in immediate peril, DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!!!!!!!!!

It seems we have over analyzed the fleeing felon part of this but we have missed the boat on taking responsibility for rounds fired.

Finally, what if the car that was hit had lethally injured the driver?

Again we have missed out on a good part of the discussion about personal responsibility!

 

[John Taylor]

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I'm not sure if you're from Arkansas or not but I am from Malvern,AR although I currently live in Massachusetts. A little over 10 years ago, I saw a show that said Little Rock has more gang related violence per capita than NY and LA combined! The HBO special was called Gang Banging in Little Rock.

That was in the 90's and it was confined to a couple of sqaure miles, if that, of some of thr most poverty stricken sections of town. "Per capita" is the key term here. Little Rock back then had a population of less than 180,000. NY & LA each have greater populations then the state. I have lived in little Rock for all my 53 years, and during the "Banging in the Rock" era, I never even was aware of the crime/homicide incidents. Mostly it was gang on gang. It made the news of course but, a hood would never be seen out of his turf. A black man stood out like a sore thumb, and would not take a chance on being stopped by a passing officer, just because. It was a socio/economic situation. And the gangs were all young black men.With the section 8 housing that is no longer the situation.As raciest as this may sound, it's not intended to be. It just is what it is. we have our share of local, petty thief white boys, most from money, and drug addicted, and not a clue how to get a job since they were well taken care of, just not taught anything practical. our homicide rate is way up there again, but they are not random, or home invasion/robbery related. they are like most, personal. this is the first shots fired w/injury robbery I can remember, another one was a store clerk, but it was a vengeance shoot.
What concerns me the most is all the one time forgive and forgets, are having their stuff stolen and think concealed carry will take care of the problem. i don't own anything worth a human life, or even the cost of a defense attorneys fee. Come in my home, uninvited, while I'm or any of my family is home, and you don't have a big bunch of balloons and a giant check for me, you gotta about 2 seconds to turn tail and run as fast as your little legs will carry you. I WILL fire the .45 I now feel compelled to carry from the time I stand up to the time I go to bed.It will not turn out well for the uninvited "guest." It's as bad now as the world was made to believe it was in the documentary. It's city wide, those once safe are no longer. Stay safe brothers.

 

[tricolordad]

I will talk about the elephant. This goes back to what we learned in hunters safety....TABK. specifically the B. be sure of your target and what is beyond it. Yesterday afternoon, I almost took a shot at a deer. Luckily I didn't because I realized that my high powered rifle would slice through the brush pile behind it and I couldn't be sure how far it would go and if I missed, maybe farther. Maybe into town... Couldn't take that chance.

It sounds like this guy was in no danger and should have let it be. Yes, you can be confident, but you can never be completely sure. That's why its called an 'accident.'

 

[cwebb74]

DEAR JOHN (Boy that's a cliche')
The armed citizen saw a fleeing Felon and engaged. Most States would allow this interaction by the citizenry. Personally I would not have according to your OP but I might if there were other mitigating circumstances surrounding this incident.

As for "This occurred in the densely populated, high traffic, upper middle class to wealthy, west end of Little Rock" I didn't know that actually existed anywhere in AK. Almost relo'd to Little Rock but due to the high crime rate we decided against it.[/QUOTE]
Little rock,AK? What part if alaska is that?

 

[John Taylor]

DEAR JOHN (Boy that's a cliche')
The armed citizen saw a fleeing Felon and engaged. Most States would allow this interaction by the citizenry. Personally I would not have according to your OP but I might if there were other mitigating circumstances surrounding this incident.

As for "This occurred in the densely populated, high traffic, upper middle class to wealthy, west end of Little Rock" I didn't know that actually existed anywhere in AK. Almost relo'd to Little Rock but due to the high crime rate we decided against it.

Little rock,AK? What part if alaska is that?[/QUOTE]

I saw that, but left it alone, I think. Densely is a relative term, compared to what it was 20 years ago, ( woodland, and cattle ranches) it's crowded. There is constant traffic, and hitting a passing vehicle is very probable. A pedestrian? no, no one walks anywhere anymore. Now there was a mother and small child at the scene where the shot was fired: A gas station next door to the bank. I understand he parked at the pumps and walked next door and robbed a depositor as he walked from his parked car to the bank. after the victim complied, the thug shot him, ran back to his car, and fired several more" gangsta" shots, for effect I guess, then the details get muzzled. Arkansas of course is Ar. formerly "Ark" doesn't matter no one knows where we are anyway, I prefer it that way.

 

[Michael Ramsey]

I do not watch the news because I become enraged by the amount of stupidity and hatred there is to report on and I too am in Arkansas (North Little Rock). As you previously mentioned raising crime and carrying inside, I also carry even at home for the same reason. Not saying it's every night, but at least 2 times per week, I hear a gunshot and live well inside the city limits so should hear none. I believe the mans desire to help stop a crime may have been right, his skill was lacking. Should he have his license taken? Maybe... But I personally do not "feel" he should as nobody was hurt due to his actions. He should have to pay for the damage to the car though. The crime will just keep getting worse and worse until citizens get tired of it and either put out the money for more police or do something about it themselves.

 

[golocx4]

The left could use a situation like this to further their rhetoric.
The shooter made a decision in a split second, he went from calm to combat and his adrenaline was exploding. Good shot or not, he missed.
Suddenly their mantra of "communitarianism" will no longer apply. Thou shalt now defend thy neighbor with thine evil gun.
Gangs exist because the community allows them to exist either by tacit approval or fear.
There is a lot of fear by the people that are trying to do the right thing.
The current "right thing" is to allow the police to do their job and make reports of the crimes the gangs perpetrate.
Other than that for the sake of the common collective, do not look the predator in the eye, cooperate with the predator, give him your money or running shoes, and call 911 when it is safe. These flower children still worship the Stockholm Syndrome even after 9-11.
The other day while in a bank, the lady in front of me was at the window and her and the teller stuffed bundles of cash into her handbag. Don't know what it was for but she was some kind of business owner. I saw it and the guy behind me saw it.
I thought to myself, if she is robbed out on the street, whachyagonnado. Situational awareness.
My thoughts were to slice the pie and get close, or observe and blame the lady for carrying that much cash.
Nothing happened but the point is, when or if you do something like this your life will be forever changed.

ps, I know that communitarianism is not a word but had I used the other "c" word it would have offended our friends on the left. Either way the meaning is the same.

 

[hogwylde]

I do not watch the news because I become enraged by the amount of stupidity and hatred there is to report on and I too am in Arkansas (North Little Rock). As you previously mentioned raising crime and carrying inside, I also carry even at home for the same reason. Not saying it's every night, but at least 2 times per week, I hear a gunshot and live well inside the city limits so should hear none. I believe the mans desire to help stop a crime may have been right, his skill was lacking. Should he have his license taken? Maybe... But I personally do not "feel" he should as nobody was hurt due to his actions. He should have to pay for the damage to the car though. The crime will just keep getting worse and worse until citizens get tired of it and either put out the money for more police or do something about it themselves.

Are you related to Dorothy, Charlie, and the rest of the Ramsey clan in Malvern? If so, I know your family very well. (There is a Michael Ramsey in that family as well).

 

[mmckee1952]

The guy was wrong to shoot at the robber; first, he wasn’t involved in the incident, second, the threat was running away and there wasn’t any threat to the shooter. He took it upon himself to interact in a situation where he didn’t belong. If it doesn’t actually evolve you and there’s no one pointedly in danger stay out of it and you won’t go to jail.

 

[K7lvo]

The guy was wrong to shoot at the robber; first, he wasn’t involved in the incident, second, the threat was running away and there wasn’t any threat to the shooter. He took it upon himself to interact in a situation where he didn’t belong. If it doesn’t actually evolve you and there’s no one pointedly in danger stay out of it and you won’t go to jail.

I agree. Not because it's The Right Thing To Do, but because an ungrateful public will venomously jump your bones if you make a mistake and will gleefully cheer as the perp jumps your bones if your if things go well, all while you were trying to protect THEM.

 

[ares338]

From the information given i would NOT have fired at the fleeing vehicle. My name would have been on that projectile and you cannot predict that the BG would have hurt someone else down the road.

 

[Glockout]

I wouldn't have fired unless he was within close range, without any chance of my missing. Since one cannot guarentee he wasn't going to hurt someone down the road, (since he did discharge his firearm previously) I believe if he was within range, the shot could have been taken with no legal ramifications.