Aren't Unions Great?

Oldgrunt

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This is out and out thievery!


SEIU Siphons “Dues” from Michigan Medicaid

On November 15, 2011, By NRTW Committee Staff
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Outrageous. That is the only way to describe the SEIU’s latest scheme to pad their coffers:


If you’re a parent who accepts Medicaid payments from the State of Michigan to help support your mentally-disabled adult children, you qualify as a state employee for the purposes of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). They can now claim and receive a portion of your Medicaid in the form of union dues.

Robert and Patricia Haynes live in Michigan with their two adult children, who have cerebral palsy. The state government provides the family with insurance through Medicaid, but also treats them as caregivers. For the SEIU, this makes them public employees and thus members of the union, which receives $30 out of the family’s monthly Medicaid subsidy. The Michigan Quality Community Care Council (MQC3) deducts union dues on behalf of SEIU.

Michigan Department of Community Health Director Olga Dazzo explained the process in to her members of her staff. ”MQC3 basically runs the program for SEIU and passes the union dues from the state to the union,” she wrote in an emailobtained by the Mackinac Center. Initiated in 2006 under then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., the plan reportedly provides the SEIU with $6 million annually in union dues deducted from those Medicaid subsidies.

“We’re not even home health care workers. We’re just parents taking care of our kids,” Robert Haynes, a retired Detroit police officer, told the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. “Our daughter is 34 and our son is 30. They have cerebral palsy. They are basically like 6-month-olds in adult bodies. They need to be fed and they wear diapers. We could sure use that $30 a month that’s being sent to the union.”According to the Mackinac Center, the theoretical public employer for whom the Haynes’ work is the Michigan Quality Community Care Council (MQC3), an entity within the DCH that continues to operate, even though the state legislature has defunded it. Even the MQC3 calls the families hiring in-home health care providers”employers of providers,” but these health care providers are also treated as employers of MQC3 when it comes time each month to take dues out of their Medicaid payment and send it to the SEIU.

Mr. and Mrs. Haynes, of course, are both the parents (the employer) and the health care providers for their children, but they still lose money to the SEIU every month, despite having no interest in joining the union. They have been arbitrarily classified as state employees so that the union can take money from them.

Gov. Rick Snyder, R-Mich., already ended a similar scheme to provide unions with new “public employees” in the area of child care. His predecessor, Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., had classified in-home daycare providers as public employees — a designation that forced them to pay union dues but conferred no other benefits upon them. Snyder’s director of the Department of Human Services ended that program. “[We] will stop all funding and, because these providers are not state employees, will also cease collecting union dues,” DHS director Maura Corrigansaid at the time.

Michigan’s state House has already passed a bill to prevent this sort of rent-seeking by public-sector unions, but it has stalled in the state Senate.
 
This is sickening. Here is how my opposition to labor unions was developed:

During the summer of 1947, when I was 12 years old, my dad was building a rather large house, large for that time, for the manager of Moore Business Forms, a large national company that still exists. The house was one story, but had three levels and had redwood siding on all of the outside walls. That house was the first one on which Dad had hired union carpenters.

During the summers and on Saturdays during the school year, I had always worked on the houses (without pay) cleaning up scrap materials for the carpenters, carrying lumber and making sure that the carpenters had the right kind of nails for the job that they were doing, etc. One day at this house, Dad asked me to get some nails out of some boards so the carpenters could reuse the wood. So, I got a hammer out of Dad’s tool box to remove the nails. As soon as I picked up the hammer and started pulling nails from the boards, the union carpenters objected, because I was not a member of the Carpenter’s Union. Even though I was only 12 years old and was only using the hammer to pull nails out of some old boards, since I was not a member of the Carpenter’s Union, I was not allowed to use a hammer as long as those union carpenters were on the job. Dad fired every one of the carpenters on the spot, and for as long as he built houses after that he did not hire union carpenters again.

Then, in the summer of 1954, at the end of my first year in college, I worked at Tempco Aircraft Company, later to become part of Ling Tempco Vaught (LTV) Corporation. I was working to make money so I could go back to college. One day when I entered the work site, a man met me at the gate and asked me to fill out a form. I noticed on the form that it had something to do with the labor union. I told the man that I didn’t want to join the union. He said, “Oh, this isn’t for you to join; it’s just to let us know that you work here.” So, I filled out the form as he stood there and watched. Well, the next week when I got my pay check, union dues had been deducted from my pay. I tried for rest of the time that I worked there to get them to stop taking union dues out of my paycheck, but to no avail. I worked there throughout that summer and fall, until mid January, 1955, when I started back to college, and they deducted union dues for that entire time. So much for labor unions.
 
Bloated, blood (money) sucking, parasites that live in the weeds of society; sucking the lifeblood (money) from their host (membership) and doing nothing for them, spreading distrust and dissension to all around them

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This is why Nancy Pelosi said "You have to pass it if you want to see whats in it" , Obamacare so backward its full of Leaches .

We need to vote these Traitors out of office and then prosecute them!
 
Regardless of pro/anti union feelings, to consider these people state employees and take money from them that could be used as intended IS WRONG.

To make this consideration and take these dues with no compensating balance is akin to taxation without representation in my mind.
 
Regardless of pro/anti union feelings, to consider these people state employees and take money from them that could be used as intended IS WRONG.

To make this consideration and take these dues with no compensating balance is akin to taxation without representation in my mind.
Sounds more like theft, in my opinion
 
That works for me also
I find it beyond theft. This is racketeering. (which was made illegal in the 1920s due to the organized crime influence in the Teamsters' Union, which shows how long that crime and the Unions have been hand in hand) Shaking down American citizens via the government. They obviously felt empowered by Obama' giving the unions so much money from the "stimulus", and his giving most of Chrysler to the UAW.
 
I find it beyond theft. This is racketeering. (which was made illegal in the 1920s due to the organized crime influence in the Teamsters' Union, which shows how long that crime and the Unions have been hand in hand) Shaking down American citizens via the government. They obviously felt empowered by Obama' giving the unions so much money from the "stimulus", and his giving most of Chrysler to the UAW.

When unions were first formed they were needed and did a lot of good things for the workers. That very quickly changed and your term of racketeers is much more descriptive of what they are now than an actual labor union. It is highly debatable about how much they do for the workers but it is not debatable at all how much they do for the union leaders. Because the rank an file members are much like other groups and fall in line with whatever they are told to do when they go into the voting booth a politician can ill afford to ignore them and do what is right. It is slowly changing but the present administration is fighting the change just like the recent lawsuit against Boeing over the plant in SC. It is time for people to wake up and realize that they do not have to listen to the lies being told about what they have to do but make their own decisions.
 
I was in a union for 7 years (UFCW - the largest division of the AFL-CIO) and it did nothing but reinforce every negative stereotype of unions that one could possibly have. The corruption, the payoffs, the union/owner backslapping and glad-handing.......it had to be worse than no union at all. I was no activist by any stretch but I had become so disgusted that in late 1993 I insisted on sitting in on the contract negotiations (as was my right). Both sides did their best to dissuade me. After it was over I could see why they didn't want "witnesses". The union reps (driving their Caddies, wearing their Rolexes, etc.) were nothing more than bobble head dolls - nodding their assent at virtually everything that ownership put forth. The result?? In spite of several consecutive years of record-breaking profits for ownership, we got a 4 yr contract with a grand total of .75 cents in raises. Yup....an extra .75 cents/hr over 4 years. That didn't even cover cost of living increases. That night the reps and owners all went out and partied like rock stars.....with the owners picking up the tab of course. I left the business (and union) shortly thereafter. I later learned that our rep had recieved a nice wedding gift from the owner of our group of stores when she got married - the owner picked up the entire $15k + tab for the wedding and reception. Nice.

No conflict of interest there, huh??
 
This is sickening. Here is how my opposition to labor unions was developed:

During the summer of 1947, when I was 12 years old, my dad was building a rather large house, large for that time, for the manager of Moore Business Forms, a large national company that still exists. The house was one story, but had three levels and had redwood siding on all of the outside walls. That house was the first one on which Dad had hired union carpenters.

During the summers and on Saturdays during the school year, I had always worked on the houses (without pay) cleaning up scrap materials for the carpenters, carrying lumber and making sure that the carpenters had the right kind of nails for the job that they were doing, etc. One day at this house, Dad asked me to get some nails out of some boards so the carpenters could reuse the wood. So, I got a hammer out of Dad’s tool box to remove the nails. As soon as I picked up the hammer and started pulling nails from the boards, the union carpenters objected, because I was not a member of the Carpenter’s Union. Even though I was only 12 years old and was only using the hammer to pull nails out of some old boards, since I was not a member of the Carpenter’s Union, I was not allowed to use a hammer as long as those union carpenters were on the job. Dad fired every one of the carpenters on the spot, and for as long as he built houses after that he did not hire union carpenters again.

Then, in the summer of 1954, at the end of my first year in college, I worked at Tempco Aircraft Company, later to become part of Ling Tempco Vaught (LTV) Corporation. I was working to make money so I could go back to college. One day when I entered the work site, a man met me at the gate and asked me to fill out a form. I noticed on the form that it had something to do with the labor union. I told the man that I didn’t want to join the union. He said, “Oh, this isn’t for you to join; it’s just to let us know that you work here.” So, I filled out the form as he stood there and watched. Well, the next week when I got my pay check, union dues had been deducted from my pay. I tried for rest of the time that I worked there to get them to stop taking union dues out of my paycheck, but to no avail. I worked there throughout that summer and fall, until mid January, 1955, when I started back to college, and they deducted union dues for that entire time. So much for labor unions.

I know for a fact that tthe above is not the case today and the Carpenter's Union does not belong to the AFL-CIO fo the last 7 years that I know of. The UBC lost a lot of ground because of that protectionist attitude over the years. I have worked and employed both Union and Non union.

Employee

Pros: Union Non-union Cons: Unions Non-union


Heatlh Insurance none, or limited n/a you get sick you go to the "Public Hospital"
and or pay out of pocket

Pension none, or select few get 401k or ? n/a you are on your own

Training Maybe if you pay for it or the taxpayer pays for it. n/a have not a clue

Wages/Contract You Haggle over your wage. n/a You haggle over your wage.

Dispute with Contractor Handled by Rep. Dispute with Contractor handled by you. n/a Dispute with Contractor handled by you

Contractor fails to pay wages or benefits, Contractor fails to pay wages or benefits, n/a You handle it.
Rep. does the work for you. You handle it.

Have to go. will finish later. I see it will be a hard read as I'm not familar with how to set this up lol Am going to wait untill I'm not putting fires out! Errguhh!!
 
I know for a fact that tthe above is not the case today and the Carpenter's Union does not belong to the AFL-CIO fo the last 7 years that I know of. The UBC lost a lot of ground because of that protectionist attitude over the years. I have worked and employed both Union and Non union.

Employee

Pros: Union Non-union Cons: Unions Non-union


Heatlh Insurance none, or limited n/a you get sick you go to the "Public Hospital"
and or pay out of pocket

Pension none, or select few get 401k or ? n/a you are on your own

Training Maybe if you pay for it or the taxpayer pays for it. n/a have not a clue

Wages/Contract You Haggle over your wage. n/a You haggle over your wage.

Dispute with Contractor Handled by Rep. Dispute with Contractor handled by you. n/a Dispute with Contractor handled by you

Contractor fails to pay wages or benefits, Contractor fails to pay wages or benefits, n/a You handle it.
Rep. does the work for you. You handle it.

Have to go. will finish later. I see it will be a hard read as I'm not familar with how to set this up lol

Where did I say that the Carpenter's Union was in the AFL-CIO? Your statement is a nonsequitur
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Seeya is trying to say that the benefits currently gotten in union contracts are nowhere near what they once were.

Problem is, there are millions of current members locked in to the older bennies, along with retirees that make more money than people actually contributing to the nation's GDP. The retirees are bringing companies and local governments to their knees. Take a company whose union has gotten a 30 year retirement program. How can a company afford to compete in the marketplace when there are thousands of former employees retiring at 55 years old and living into their 80s? How can a city operate that way?

That was the reason for the attitude towards the auto manufacturers' bailout. Someone would have bought the companies, they would not have gone out of business. But the companies would no longer be burdened by the old union contracts, which was half of the reason they have been unprofitable for over a decade.

The auto company bailout really had nothing to do with the auto companies, and everything to do with the UAW. THAT is what the bailout was about, Obama repaying the UAW for their support during the 2008 election. That is also why he gave them a significant portion of the Chrysler Corporation.
 
That's also why the unions are getting to opt out of Obama care. If Obama care is such a great thing and going to save us so much money, you got to ask the question. Why are the unions aloud to run away from it? Could this be another thank you to the unions? No that couldn't be it, could it? :big_boss:
 
I heard about this story at least 3 months ago,probably longer. Everyone must know about it due to the great coverage by the "lame stream media"!
The Union heads always supported the Democrats because they were helpful in getting the members raises. They didn't like my point that what good was it when the raise had to be given back in the form of increased taxes!
 
You didn't B2Tall did in another post.

I said the UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers) was part of AFL-CIO. I never said anything about a carpenters union.

My experience with unions is that they're run by a bunch of scumbags who only want to line their pockets at the little guy's expense. They were far worse than anything they claim to want to protect me from.
 
B2Tall:320164 said:
You didn't B2Tall did in another post.

I said the UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers) was part of AFL-CIO. I never said anything about a carpenters union.

My experience with unions is that they're run by a bunch of scumbags who only want to line their pockets at the little guy's expense. They were far worse than anything they claim to want to protect me from.

And that's my experience with corporations and the suits that run them. No out for the people.
 
And that's my experience with corporations and the suits that run them. No out for the people.
But that's just it....if the "suits" are scumbags, don't work there. Problem is, there is always someone willing to work for peanuts, and destroys the free-market system for the job market.

I personally feel that it is a corporation's right to pay whatever they want, give whatever benefits they want, or none at all. If their salary and benefits do not meet my standards, I won't work there.

And I have no real problems with "collective bargaining". Problem is, with unions, the person doing the negotiating for the collective has nothing to lose. He/she is going to live like a king regardless if the workers get more, less, or lose their jobs and get nothing at all. So someone is always going to get screwed.
 

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