Are we required to let LEO know if we are carrying concealed?
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Firefighterchen
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Treo:284008 said:
I dunno...people really like to argue about this topic...
Or completely miss the point of a post like apple answering g50
I always get a good laugh outta this topic
Because we are out of matches and/or butane so we can't start a new flame war.
In Washington state my garbage man and taxi drivers do have the power of arrest for offenses that are committed in their presence. In addition they are authorized, by law, to use force to detain persons who have committed felonies:
And the Washington state Attorney General:
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If I were you, at least in Washington state, I would make sure your garbage man and taxi driver is aware of your permit to carry - they DO have the power to arrest and they are more likely to die on the job than a police officer is.
I do apologize... I notice this thread was in the Massachusetts forum....
Although, in MA, citizen's arrest does exist, y'all just don't trust your private citizens as much as Washington does:
mrsandman224455
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BIG SIGH....
NavyLCDR...you are correct...PRMA does not trust its citizens at all
NavyLCDR...you are correct...PRMA does not trust its citizens at all
Flashlight22
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Well ive been pulled over while carrying and was never asked. Same with my girlfriend she just got a speeding ticket last week by a state trooper and she never got asked if she had any weapons in the car.thedub88:283935 said:
snatale42
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Nope, I've verified with buddies in Boston PD, MA is not capable of that. There is no interconnection between CHSB/FRB and the Registry.
applessshch
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Well, I guess I owe everyone here and apology, not for what I said as I meant it to be cute, but for making you think I'm trying to start a flame war. Totally not intentional. I thought the subject was worth posting on. I'm new to guns and this sight and find this subject interesting. Sorry if you all thought I was trying to start trouble. I'll be more serious from here on out, no laughter allowed. Got it.
Treo
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I dunno...people really like to argue about this topic...
Or completely miss the point of a post like apple answering g50
I always get a good laugh outta this topic
I noted a post not too long ago that was insinuating that G50 was a sock puppet for icemanpls who is now posting on THR
mrsandman224455
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Its all good....it is a good topic, one which is worth discussing. Just a old thread with alot of back and forth. Welcome to the world of shooting. Be safe, practice practice....and nothing wrong with a laugh....
-Capo
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I know most of you say don't tell the cops about your weapon unless asked, but feel them out a bit. I have not been stopped in a long time, but I have also never been issued a ticket after showing them my permit. I was racing to get to a store for washing machine parts and as I came up to a large group of traffic in the right two lanes I thought why are you going so slow. I moved to the left and see ya off I went. As I hit the off ramp about a mile later it was like a christmas light show, MA state police. I pulled over and he snuck up on the right side. I had allready grabbed the paperwork so I was somewhat ready. He said the reason I pulled you over was I keeping traffic slow and I went blowing by him so he had to stop me. I informed him that if for no other reason but respect I would never do that if I had seen him. Anyway I handed him the license, reg and ccp. He looked at it and asked where it was. I told him it was right hip and he asked me to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to remove the weapon. I agreed and after this he had me step out of the car for a quick pat down. After that he asked why I was carrying and that started the discussion.....15 minutes later he placed the weapon on my passenger seat, unloaded and asked that I wait till he is gone to load it. He also informed me that I was going 74 mph and in that spot it is a 50 mph zone. (290 s turns toward auburn for those close)He said have a good night slow down and to try not to pass state troopers on the highway. It was worth it to me to put the time in to try to avoid the ticket and it worked. I have in the past gotten out of 4 possible tickets this way and this was the only time I was disarmed or removed from the car. I also did not make it in time for he parts and had to go back the next day.
I know most of you say don't tell the cops about your weapon unless asked, but feel them out a bit. I have not been stopped in a long time, but I have also never been issued a ticket after showing them my permit. I was racing to get to a store for washing machine parts and as I came up to a large group of traffic in the right two lanes I thought why are you going so slow. I moved to the left and see ya off I went. As I hit the off ramp about a mile later it was like a christmas light show, MA state police. I pulled over and he snuck up on the right side. I had allready grabbed the paperwork so I was somewhat ready. He said the reason I pulled you over was I keeping traffic slow and I went blowing by him so he had to stop me. I informed him that if for no other reason but respect I would never do that if I had seen him. Anyway I handed him the license, reg and ccp. He looked at it and asked where it was. I told him it was right hip and he asked me to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to remove the weapon. I agreed and after this he had me step out of the car for a quick pat down. After that he asked why I was carrying and that started the discussion.....15 minutes later he placed the weapon on my passenger seat, unloaded and asked that I wait till he is gone to load it. He also informed me that I was going 74 mph and in that spot it is a 50 mph zone. (290 s turns toward auburn for those close)He said have a good night slow down and to try not to pass state troopers on the highway. It was worth it to me to put the time in to try to avoid the ticket and it worked. I have in the past gotten out of 4 possible tickets this way and this was the only time I was disarmed or removed from the car. I also did not make it in time for he parts and had to go back the next day.
Well. let's see....I've gotten away with just a warning for speeding no less than three times while carrying a firearm. Neither the officer nor I mentioned it and nobody felt the need to do anything with my gun other than leave it alone in it's holster untouched. Some people might think it is worth it to put everyone at increased risk of a negligent discharge by unneccesarily inviting the officer to handle a loaded gun on the side of the road in the hopes of endearing themselves to the police officer to try to get out of a ticket they completely deserve to get. I won't.
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mshean1955
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It is not required under Ma. Law that you tell the police officer. That said, when a police officer approches any vehicle he is on a higher level of 'stress', there is no such thing as a 'simple' traffic stop, for all he knows you may have two body's in the trunk. Police have been shot at 'simple' traffic stops. I sugguest as a courtesy, that you include your LTC with your drivers license and registration, as you hand it over tell him your showing him your LTC also, this should lower his stress level as he will know instantly that your not a 'bad guy', they are not issued a LTC. He will find out you have one anyway when he enters your info into his computer. When he comes back to you he may just extend you a courtesy by not giving you a ticket. Just a consideration, your choice.
Would you suggest that a person inform a taxi cab driver about a LTC before getting in the cab, as a courtesy, if a person has to ride in a cab for some reason?
mshean1955
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I dont think we were talking about cab drivers, or anything/anyone other than law enforcement officers, stay on message NavyLCDR.
Treo
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Of all the states that allow CC only 10 require you to notify the officer during a police interaction, I think that's significant. There are now 49 states that allow some form of concealed carry and only 10 feel that officer safety is enhanced by requiring notification. In many states (Colorado included) no permit is required to carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle, how would a law requiring notification by permit holders affect them? More significantly, how would such a law affect the thousands of criminal who ignore every other gun law on the books on a daily basis?
I can't see how informing a police officer you're heeled can do anything but escalate tensions, especially if you win the lottery and inform an officer who thinks anyone with a CCW is a wannabe cop.
There’s no benefit to me if I voluntarily inform so I don't. I'm required to produce my permit and a valid I.D if I'm asked that would be the only time I would do so.
I can't see how informing a police officer you're heeled can do anything but escalate tensions, especially if you win the lottery and inform an officer who thinks anyone with a CCW is a wannabe cop.
There’s no benefit to me if I voluntarily inform so I don't. I'm required to produce my permit and a valid I.D if I'm asked that would be the only time I would do so.
OK, I'll stay on message, mshean1955. You posted this:
Why are police officers more worthy of your courtesy than anyone else? There are at least 9 more professions who are more likely to die on the job than police officers are. Would it not stand to reason that people in those professions would be under MORE stress about dying on the job than police officers? Doesn't that mean that they would be more worthy of your courtesy than police officers are?
A cab driver is many times more likely to be shot by a criminal than a police officer is. See, I kept it on message, we are talking about how unlikely police officers are to be killed, even shot, on the job than other professions are. So why do your feel that police officers are exclusively worthy of your courtesy? How about if you share with us your "message", mshean1955 and tell us that?
I think you hinted at it in your post:
Seems to me like you are hoping for the courtesy of getting out of a ticket that you deserve to get by showing your "membership" card.
All indicators point that all this talk of "officers just want to go home at night safe to their families", "it puts the officer at ease", "it reduces the officer's stress" is just a B.S. cover for the real reason, "I want to do everything that I can to get out of that damn ticket!" otherwise you would be showing your LTC to all those other professions that contribute daily to your health and safety and are more likely to get killed on the job such as garbage collectors, or show your LTC whenever you did business with a person likely to get shot on the job like a cab driver, if you really wanted to be courteous. I thought concealed means concealed? So why flash the card and tell a complete stranger about your gun just because they are wearing a badge and a uniform....it sure seems, given the facts, it's only done because YOU hope to be the recipient of the benefit. After all, at least in Washington, your garbage collector and cab driver have the same powers of detainment for crimes committed in their presence as a police officer does.
I just can't subscribe to this theory that the gun is such a special object above all those other objects I legally carry, and that a police officer is such a special person above all those other persons I have contact with.
Treo
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I don't have a problem with this per se but at least be honest about it.
mshean1955
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{Just a consideration, your choice.) You must have missed this last statement, it was not a command, just a suggestion/opinion. Being in the Navy you probably have no tolerance for anyones input/ideas/opinions but your own, if you want our opinions you will give them to us mindset, a higher rank/ego thing. I have had one ticket in my life for going 6 miles over the speed limit over thirty years ago in a little one horse town by a cop that probably would have given his own mother a ticket by the way he was acting, I never showed him my gun license, it would not have mattered if I had, the thought never occured to me at the time. You can wind down all that anger, its not all that life altering, do what you want and let it go at that if your able to NavyLCDR. Have a nice Easter. :wink:
So it's obvious that you aren't always all that courteous. You claim to show your LTC to the cop out of courtesy, and you even went so far as to italicize the word. You still have not explained why you don't extend that courtesy to other groups of people, equally deserving of your courtesy.
Although it certainly is your choice who you choose to be courteous to and who you choose not to be.
