Are Warning Shots a Good Idea?

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Are Warning Shots a Good Idea?

By: Massad Ayoob

Warning shots have long been prohibited by most American police departments. Massad Ayoob spells out 10 good reasons why.

The “Warning Shots Are a Good Idea” Myth

Self-Defense: Are Warning Shots a Good Idea?You know a myth is widespread when it emanates from the White House. In 2013 while campaigning for a ban on so-called “assault rifles,” Vice-President Joseph Biden told the public he had advised his wife that if there was a home invasion, she was to take a double barrel shotgun and fire both barrels upwards. One can only imagine how the Secret Service Vice-Presidential detail felt when they heard that. I can tell you that across the nation lawyers, cops, and gun-wise people rolled their eyes and shook their heads.

Here are 10 reasons why firing a warning shot is not a good idea.

1. What goes up, must come down. The stereotyped warning shot is fired skyward. Shooting live ammunition into the sky is a practice normally associated with Third World countries where respect for human life is not as great as in the United States. There are many cases on record where such bullets “fell from the sky” and killed innocent people. In one New England case, a man carelessly fired a warning shot upward in the state’s largest city; the bullet struck and killed an innocent bystander who was on the upper porch of a tenement building.

2. To fire the warning shot safely, the shooter would have to aim it into something that could safely absorb the projectile. This would force the shooter to take his eyes off of the potentially dangerous criminal opponent he was trying to intimidate – always a poor idea tactically.

3. What appears to be a safe place to plant the warning bullet, may not be. I know a police officer who, trying to break up a riot, fired a warning shot from his 12 gauge shotgun downward from the upper floor walkway of a hotel into what appeared in the dark to be a soft patch of earth. It was, instead, darkened pavement. Double-ought buckshot pellets caromed off the hard surface, one striking a young woman in the eye.

4. Suppose the person who caused you to fire the warning shot runs around a corner. Another gunshot rings out; someone else has shot the man, in a moment when deadly force was not warranted. The bullet goes through and through, fatally, and is not recovered. The man who wrongfully shot him claims that he fired the warning shot, and it was your bullet that caused the wrongful death. It’s your word against his…unless you can say, “Officer, you’ll find the bullet from MY gun in the friendly oak tree right over there.” But it would have been better in these circumstances if you had not fired at all.

5. Warning shots can lead to misunderstandings with deadly unintended consequences. Years ago in the Great Lakes area, two police officers were searching opposite ends of a commercial greenhouse where a burglar alarm had just gone off. One confronted the burglar, who ran. The officer raised his arm skyward for the traditional silver screen warning shot. As is often the case, the blast just made the suspect run faster. On the other end of the building, the brother officer heard the shot and shouted to his partner, asking if he was all right. But the powerful handgun had gone off so close to the first officer’s unprotected ear that his ears were ringing, and he didn’t hear the shout. The second officer then saw the suspect running. Concluding that the man must have killed the partner who didn’t answer, that second officer shot and killed a man who was guilty only of burglary and running from the police.

6. A single gunshot sounds to earwitnesses (and, depending on the circumstances, even eyewitnesses) as if you tried to kill a man you were only trying to warn. Did you yell the standard movie line, “Stop or I’ll shoot”? It could sound to an earwitness as if you threatened to kill a man for not obeying you, and then tried to do exactly that. Don’t make threats you don’t have a right to carry out, and as will be noted elsewhere in this book, the confluence of circumstances that warrants the shooting of a fleeing felon is extremely rare. (Remember that there are usually more earwitnesses than eyewitnesses; sound generally travels farther than line of sight, especially in the dark. Remember the infamous case of Kitty Genovese, who was murdered as 38 New York witnesses supposedly watched and did nothing. A study of the incident shows that only two of those witnesses actually saw the knife go into her body. However, more than 38 apparently heard her scream, “He stabbed me!”)

7. Even if there are no witnesses and the man claims you shot at him and missed, evidence will show that you did fire your gun. If he claims you attempted to murder him, it’s his word against yours.

8. Murphy’s law is immutable: if your weapon is going to jam, expect it to jam on the warning shot, and leave you helpless when the opponent comes up on you with his gun.

9. The firing of a gun even in the “general direction” of another person is an act of deadly force. If deadly force was warranted, well, “warning shot, hell!” You would have shot directly at him. The warning shot can tell judge and jury that the very fact that you didn’t aim the shot at him is a tacit admission that even by your own lights, you knew deadly force was not justified at the time you fired the shot.

10. If the man turns on you in the next moment and you do have to shoot him or die, you’ve wasted precious ammunition. With the still-popular five-shot revolver, you’ve just thrown away 20% of your potentially life-saving firepower. In one case in the Philippines, a man went berserk in a crowded open-air market and began stabbing and slashing people with a knife in each hand. In a nearby home, an off-duty Filipino police officer heard the screams, grabbed his six-shot service revolver (with no spare ammunition), and ran to the scene. When he confronted the madman, the latter turned on him. The officer fired three warning shots into the air, sending half of all he had to protect himself and the public into the stratosphere. He turned and ran, trying to shoot over his shoulder, and missed with his last three shots. He tripped and fell, and the pursuing knife-wielder literally ripped him apart. Responding officers shot and killed the madman, but their off-duty brother was already dead by then.

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Joe has put his foot in his mouth so many times, he has applied for a visa to allow it to be placed their permanently..

Warning shots can kill innocent people.. The point to this might be the consideration of using a warning shot, or killing someone. lets just suppose you were faced with bodily harm...and you had the green light to defend yourself, which would include lethal force. let's also say that the threat could have been reversed with a warning shot. Some times a big boom can be taken much more seriously than a gun.. If I had a choice of shooting a warning shot and walking away with out any further consequences, of having to kill someone. I would take the warning shot approach. Once you shoot or kill someone.. your life changes forever.. I've had experience walking away from two separated threats, in both case I had the green light to use lethal force. I barked some orders and was able to turn both threats around.. allow them to leave the area.. I was drawn down on both with the idea I would take their life.. in both cases I allowed the thugs to escape..( with their lives. )
I was lucky.. and it didn't cost me a thing to let them go.... it was their choice... but I was in control.. Had I not been armed both cases would have gone very bad.. for me, in one case, and for my wife and kids in the other.
I'd take a warning shot over killing someone any day.. that is if a warning shot was feasible in the particular case.
Lots of things go through your mind in those few seconds before pulling the trigger.. right to use lethal force takes up most of that time..in the thought process.
Just my experience.. I will say this.. in both of my cases.. the thought of a warning shot never crossed my mind..
 
And if the attacker is a hopped up druggie, you can bet you will need all the ammo you have to stop the threat as quick as possible. But in Florida, you can't legally be charged for firing a warning shot if a deadly shot could be justified. Unless it hits something other than the threat. A warning shot from 300 yds at rioters might be a bit of a stretch though.
 
And if the attacker is a hopped up druggie, you can bet you will need all the ammo you have to stop the threat as quick as possible. But in Florida, you can't legally be charged for firing a warning shot if a deadly shot could be justified. Unless it hits something other than the threat. A warning shot from 300 yds at rioters might be a bit of a stretch though.

IM not trying micro managing your post...most threats are muggings and robberies, you become a victim if someone wants what you have or feels confident in hurting you for what ever the reason.. Having the ability to read potential problems gives you a leg up on defusing it. these encounters usually are within 20 feet. No one is going to yell at you from 100 yards away, I want your money.. being ready within that zone ( 20 feet ) is the difference between giving up what you have including your life, or making your presence so strong that the bad guy looks else ware. If you look like a victim, carry yourself like a victim chances are at some point you will be a victim. I'm 70, I walk tall, I make eye contact with everyone in my view.. I never walk with my eye down.. I stare right back at potential thugs who are scanning for victims. I don't look for trouble, but I know trouble can find you. IM about as prepared for trouble as anyone can be.. my carry weapon and my carry style ( at least for me ) offers me the best advantage to be at the ready anytime my gut tells me I should be. And.. I do it in a way that no one knows that I am ready... including a potential thug.
 
It's amazing to me that anyone could read that article and turn around and say warning shots are a good idea
 
I would not. Only clear leather if you have to fire, only fire when you need to use deadly force. Now at home the side by side has blank .20 Ga.
 
there is no absolute answer.. you can always find something on the internet to support your position. I don't need anyone here to tell me how I walk in my own shoes. these threads are open for discussion and opinion . Sometimes some people choose to belittle some one for their experience and tenure opinion. It just goes to show the caliber of some people..
For me.. Ill exhaust every means Not to kill someone before I have to kill someone.. if that includes a warning shot then , so be it. I've had the potential authority to kill four people in my civilian life.. I exhausted every means before killing them.. because I was armed and ready, and my presence was so strong, the thugs chose to run. Only because I let them. I never suffered any grief, or legal issues in either of those two separate cases.. I sleep good at night and would again allow someone to escape rather than killing them.. I sometimes peek at those I have on ignore.. and find their post towards me to be comical... but for the most part my decision to put them on ignore is well founded in their childishness and unfounded accusations.
 
It's amazing that anyone could read that article.....all the way to the end.

There's some truth to that but no one is going to listen if you just say " Warning shots are stupid and likely illegal don't do it." either.

How many posts have you read here by people that think warning shots are a tactically sound Idea?

there is no absolute answer.. you can always find something on the internet to support your position. I don't need anyone here to tell me how I walk in my own shoes. these threads are open for discussion and opinion . Sometimes some people choose to belittle some one for their experience and tenure opinion. It just goes to show the caliber of some people..
For me.. Ill exhaust every means Not to kill someone before I have to kill someone.. if that includes a warning shot then , so be it. I've had the potential authority to kill four people in my civilian life.. I exhausted every means before killing them.. because I was armed and ready, and my presence was so strong, the thugs chose to run. Only because I let them. I never suffered any grief, or legal issues in either of those two separate cases.. I sleep good at night and would again allow someone to escape rather than killing them.. I sometimes peek at those I have on ignore.. and find their post towards me to be comical... but for the most part my decision to put them on ignore is well founded in their childishness and unfounded accusations.

Case in point
 
Reason 11: Ammo is too high priced and rare!
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Reason 12: If the city / county finds out you have a gun, they will order more military tanks.
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Reason 13: Andy may not give you another bullet.
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Reason 14: Areas around Hospitals & Library's are quiet zones.
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Reason 15: You really should clean your gun between each use, and in a gun fight, there may not be enough time.
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Reason 16: If you heat up your gun barrel, it contributes to global warming, and makes Al Gore sad.
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Reason 17: Remember your honeymoon when the darn thing went off early, and what a stink that created.
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Reason 18: Brass hitting the ground invites scrap collectors, if your target is a scavenger, he will fight you for the brass, escalating the problem.
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Reason 19: Passing motorists seeing your gun raised, and hearing the report, will think the Triple Crown race in under way, and the perp will get away in a sea of women in bonnets.
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Reason 20: You do not want the bad guy to run away, you want to test out your new Glock 42, because cadaver jelly is so darn expensive.
 
There's some truth to that but no one is going to listen if you just say " Warning shots are stupid and likely illegal don't do it." either.

The thing is there are so many real and rational reasons why warning shots are bad did he really have to put stupid crap in like reason #4 and hope to maintain credibility? He might as well have said, "If you shoot up in the air you have a chance of dislodging a flower pot that might be on the balcony above you causing it to fall and hit you on the head or strike an aircraft flying overhead and cause it to crash." Or was it that he wanted an even number 10 and could only come up with 9 somewhat reasonable statements so he had to put something stupid in there just to make 10?
 
How many posts have you read here by people that think warning shots are a tactically sound Idea?

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Case in point

I've read very few comments of support for warning shots...it's not surprising ET is one of them though.

Sometimes some people choose to belittle some one for their experience and tenure opinion. It just goes to show the caliber of some people..

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but for the most part my decision to put them on ignore is well founded in their childishness and unfounded accusations.

I mean...really? In the same post none the less. The guy who tried to attack and belittle me without provocation, trying to take the high ground...no wonder he doesn't want others to tell him warning shots are a bad idea.

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Don't fire a warning shot. A grand jury may decide if you had time to fire a warning shot then there was no immediate threat. The shot itself may constitute a crime as some states have laws prohibiting the discharge of a firearm in a public place unless in self defense. There's a lawyer attached to the bullet.
 
Simple reply to a simple silly question-----WHY?

If the answer is to scare someone you are already out of line. Imminent danger means one thing and that is not a warning shot.
 
I can't believe that Ayoob or anyone else is still beating this dead horse. The only reason this "issue" is discussed around here at all is because FL passed a bill early this year or late last year that many incorrectly named "Florida's Warning Shot Bill." The only reason it was called that is because of the phony defense of a woman who tried to shoot her abusive husband, missed, got arrested and charged, and tried to say she was being advanced upon by him and the missed shots were actually "warning shots." She didn't know that warning shots were illegal when she tried that as a defense, someone or some do-gooder gun group decided to take up the issue, and "warning shot" articles/evaluations/criticisms/rants/whatever, have been popping up every month or two ever since. I'd be willing to bet that this is at least the second time Ayoob himself has written about an "issue" that nearly everyone has never considered in their tactics or home-defense planning. The FL bill was intended much more so to disallow cops from arresting CC'ers whose weapons showed because of wind or reaching for something and their cover garment riding up (see egregious example below) than it had anything to do with "warning shots," yet Ayoob and a bunch of other "establishment" gun gurus keep the meme going for some unfathomable reason.

Anyway, here's what the law was really trying to address. Ayoob and everybody else should just shut up about "warning shots" now that their inaccurate and hysterical rhetoric has long-been exposed as such.

 
I think the warning shots in the air comments are made by Mas and others because of VP comments about shooting a shotgun. Had the VP not said his little foolish dribble we would not be on that page.
 
I can't believe that Ayoob or anyone else is still beating this dead horse. The only reason this "issue" is discussed around here at all is because FL passed a bill early this year or late last year that many incorrectly named "Florida's Warning Shot Bill."

To be fair there are a lot of people that are totally new to firearms buying guns for personal protection now and there's a lot of TV bull **** that has to be overcome.

Look in this thread alone ET claims years , nay decades, of experience and he thinks warnings shots are a sound tactical decision.
 

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