Are LEOs are told you have a concealed carry permit when they run your license?

[ekimreeps]

Hello all,

I was pulled over by a State Trooper in Minnesota a couple weeks ago for speeding. I was as guilty as can be. I even had the cruise set, but had my foot on the gas and was lost in thought. When I met him coming the other way I waved, as I always do to LEOs, and then glanced down and realized how fast I was going. Sure enough, I saw him pull onto the shoulder in my rear view mirror, so I immediately pulled over to wait for him to turn around.

As expected he turned on his lights and pulled in behind me. My wife had gotten out the registration and I had my license out. In MN you do not have to notify that you have a CC permit, so I did not take that out. He sat behind me for a brief time. I assume he was calling in my license plate. He approached EXTREMELY cautiously. I put my hands on the wheel so he could see them as he approached and when he got to my window, he said "I stopped you for speeding, but I guess you probably know that since you pulled over before I even turned around." I told him, "Yeah... I'm sorry... when I saw you and waved, I looked down and saw how fast I was going. I guess I just wasn't paying attention." He said he had me at 69 in a 55.

He asked where I was coming from and I told him. I handed him my license and registration and he said he did not need the registration. He looked at the license and said, "I'm going to call this in and if it comes back clean, I'll let you go with a warning." Sweet! He went back to has car but came back very shortly, approached with the same level of caution as the first time, gave me my license, told me to have a good day, backed up several steps while keeping an eye on us, before turning around and walking back to his cruiser.

Does anyone know if they tell the officer that you have a CC permit when they call in your license plate and/or driver's license?

I was wondering if he was being extra cautious because of that or if that was just his normal level of alertness/caution. (Actually, it was kind of impressive)

So, all in all, a great encounter from my perspective. He absolutely did not have to give me a warning, treated me with the utmost respect, and assuming that he knew I had a CC permit, did not make an issue of it at all.

 

[9_guy]

I was told by my CCW instructed, that in Ky at least, when the dispatcher pulls your info up, it is listed.

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[Kino Wolf]

Can vouch that KY Leos can see it when they pull up your info, so it might be the same country-wide. Plus many are likely not used to the person they're about to pull over waving at them and then stopping. Can't blame him for being cautious.

 

[wolf_fire]

In most states, LE is not privy to that information and I would doubt this trooper had knowledge of you being a CC holder. Even if he did, that doesn't mean you are necessarily carrying, and more so, if you weren't a CC holder, this would give the cop more reason to be cautious. The reason being that if you were carrying concealed you'd then be doing it illegally. State troopers generally are more trained at being cautious at traffic stops. This is because their territory is large and they generally don't have one of their own nearby. Therefore, it is just them and whoever the heck they pulled over. Depending on who they pull over, the stop could get ugly really fast. On the flip side I have seen some local LEO's who seemed to have the situational awareness of a sheep. They could take some pointers.

 

[CCWTRAINER]

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Hello all,

I was pulled over by a State Trooper in Minnesota a couple weeks ago for speeding. I was as guilty as can be. I even had the cruise set, but had my foot on the gas and was lost in thought. When I met him coming the other way I waved, as I always do to LEOs, and then glanced down and realized how fast I was going. Sure enough, I saw him pull onto the shoulder in my rear view mirror, so I immediately pulled over to wait for him to turn around.

As expected he turned on his lights and pulled in behind me. My wife had gotten out the registration and I had my license out. In MN you do not have to notify that you have a CC permit, so I did not take that out. He sat behind me for a brief time. I assume he was calling in my license plate. He approached EXTREMELY cautiously. I put my hands on the wheel so he could see them as he approached and when he got to my window, he said "I stopped you for speeding, but I guess you probably know that since you pulled over before I even turned around." I told him, "Yeah... I'm sorry... when I saw you and waved, I looked down and saw how fast I was going. I guess I just wasn't paying attention." He said he had me at 69 in a 55.

He asked where I was coming from and I told him. I handed him my license and registration and he said he did not need the registration. He looked at the license and said, "I'm going to call this in and if it comes back clean, I'll let you go with a warning." Sweet! He went back to has car but came back very shortly, approached with the same level of caution as the first time, gave me my license, told me to have a good day, backed up several steps while keeping an eye on us, before turning around and walking back to his cruiser.

Does anyone know if they tell the officer that you have a CC permit when they call in your license plate and/or driver's license?

I was wondering if he was being extra cautious because of that or if that was just his normal level of alertness/caution. (Actually, it was kind of impressive)

So, all in all, a great encounter from my perspective. He absolutely did not have to give me a warning, treated me with the utmost respect, and assuming that he knew I had a CC permit, did not make an issue of it at all.

Your permit holder status is available to LEO's. The LEO just does not know who is driving the car, the registered owner or someone else until they run your ID and get a match.

Seems to me you handled it great.

 

[Kyredneck]

Depends on the state. In Ky, your CDW shows up along with your driving history and possible warrants, when run thru NCIC. Not all states attach that info. Some out of state OL's give lots of info like photos and carry permits, some don't.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Does anyone know if they tell the officer that you have a CC permit when they call in your license plate and/or driver's license?

I was wondering if he was being extra cautious because of that or if that was just his normal level of alertness/caution. (Actually, it was kind of impressive)

So, all in all, a great encounter from my perspective. He absolutely did not have to give me a warning, treated me with the utmost respect, and assuming that he knew I had a CC permit, did not make an issue of it at all.

Let's apply some common sense. First, he calls in the license plate number of your vehicle, and IF he gets a response that the vehicle is registered to Joe Snuffy, and Joe Snuffy has a CC permit, what does that tell the officer about the occupants of the vehicle? ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, 100% NOTHING! Why? Because the officer has no idea who the occupants of the vehicle are.

Now, if the officer obtains Joe Snuffy's driver's license, and finds out from the state that Joe Snuffy has a CC permit, what reason then would the officer have to treat Joe Snuffy more cautiously than before? He just obtained information from the state that said that Joe Snuffy has submitted to a background check, he's passed the background check, and if Joe Snuffy does possess a firearm, there is 99% chance that firearm is completely 100% legal. So why would the officer have any reason to be MORE cautious?

 

[Highpower15]

Just retired from Mn State Patrol this month. The permit to carry information is not tied to your drivers license or your registration. So us just stopping you for speed or another violation it does not show up on our screen. We do not know if you are a permit holder unless we place your name and d.o.b in another query on our computer. All permit to carry information is private info, so no one else can receive the data unless they are law enforcement. We can not check with our dispatchers over the air, because of the scanners out there... We have the capability to do the checks in our cars. You also do not have to tells us if you are carrying a firearm during the stop. If we ask you directly, then you have to let us know. I always tell my students ( I instruct here in Mn since 2003) that if you feel better telling us you can, but you do not have too. SP314 (retired)

 

[NavyLCDR]

I always tell my students ( I instruct here in Mn since 2003) that if you feel better telling us you can, but you do not have too.

I love the way you put that! There are many reasons people give for showing a LEO their permit/license when they don't have to. I don't think I have ever heard someone claim, "I show my permit because it makes me feel better!" I suspect, though, if people really thought about it hard and were honest, that is probably closer to the real reason they do. Thank you for your years of service to the public, Highpower15.

 

[farsidefan1]

My cousin spent years in California as a cop and he said the 2 times that an officer is at the most risk are #1 domestic disputes, Sometimes the spouse who has been getting beaten half to death turns around and attacks the cop when the cop is trying to restrain the abusive partner. #2 most dangerous time is a traffic stop. A well trained officer is going to be very aware and cautious approaching a car knowing that a hidden hand may very well be holding an armed weapon.

That is the most likely reason for the care shown by the officer.

 

[Blackhawk67]

In indiana the police have access to that information when the pull you over and run your id.

 

[ekimreeps]

Thanks for all the replies (especially yours Highpower15...nice to have a response from a MN Trooper). As I said, I thought his level of caution was impressive. I would hope they are all that careful at every stop.

Thanks again!
-Mike-

 

[MI .45]

Here in Michigan, our CPL's are tied to our registered vehicles (MI is a require to inform state). In the FWIW dept...

 

[sig1014]

In most states, CWP are private information. The laws differ from state to state, but in 99percent of cases CWP info is separate from driver info and basic background info. You have to look it up on a seperate screen (as stated by the retired Mn.St.Trooper)....
I believe there should be a uniformed CWP regulation to minimize the confusion.
For instance, in SC, your weapon is supposed to be stored in the glove box or console. But you cross the state line into NC, and your weapon is supposed to be visible to any approaching LEO (ie. placed on top of the console or in the other seat in plain view.)
I can see where it might get confusing to people that travel alot...

 

[Nightmare45]

Texas is tied to drivers license when run he will know.

 

[wolf_fire]

In most states, CWP are private information. The laws differ from state to state, but in 99percent of cases CWP info is separate from driver info and basic background info. You have to look it up on a seperate screen (as stated by the retired Mn.St.Trooper)....
I believe there should be a uniformed CWP regulation to minimize the confusion.
For instance, in SC, your weapon is supposed to be stored in the glove box or console. But you cross the state line into NC, and your weapon is supposed to be visible to any approaching LEO (ie. placed on top of the console or in the other seat in plain view.)
I can see where it might get confusing to people that travel alot...

I believe there should be NO infringements on my inalienable right to keep and bear arms of any kind and that this particular right, being such a valued right, has written unto it the words, "... shall not be infringed."

You can keep your permit system and regulatory bodies and continue to add bad law after bad law. (correction, each of these laws is a breach of the Constitution so I should have written, illegal law after illegal law)

 

[NavyLCDR]

During a routine traffic stop, does it really matter to the driver whether or not the officer gets CPL/CCW information from dispatch or not? I just comply with whatever the state law says I have to do and don't really concern myself with whether or not the officer gets CPL/CCW information from the state/county.

 

[AndeyHall]

"Btw officer, I'm also not wearing socks today."

 

[dcselby1]

Let's apply some common sense. First, he calls in the license plate number of your vehicle, and IF he gets a response that the vehicle is registered to Joe Snuffy, and Joe Snuffy has a CC permit, what does that tell the officer about the occupants of the vehicle? ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, 100% NOTHING! Why? Because the officer has no idea who the occupants of the vehicle are.

Now, if the officer obtains Joe Snuffy's driver's license, and finds out from the state that Joe Snuffy has a CC permit, what reason then would the officer have to treat Joe Snuffy more cautiously than before? He just obtained information from the state that said that Joe Snuffy has submitted to a background check, he's passed the background check, and if Joe Snuffy does possess a firearm, there is 99% chance that firearm is completely 100% legal. So why would the officer have any reason to be MORE cautious?

there is 99% chance that firearm is completely 100% legal. So why would the officer have any reason to be MORE cautious? Because that ONE PERCENT could get you killed. Sort of like treating ALL guns as if they are loaded.

 

[AndeyHall]

there is 99% chance that firearm is completely 100% legal. So why would the officer have any reason to be MORE cautious? Because that ONE PERCENT could get you killed. Sort of like treating ALL guns as if they are loaded.

He's not going to find out about that 1% through a computer check though. He's gonna find out about that 1% when that 1% pistol is pointing at his face.