Any of y'all get your CWPs through this guy?

[nca_mm]

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[CrapouT]

I sure did. I would like to hear the whole story. He was a former law enforcement officer and there seemed to be no love lost with him and SLED. When I took the class from him last year, he was super careful to cover everything in the curriculum and our class was a full 8 hours. What a shame.

 

[nca_mm]

I sure did. I would like to hear the whole story. He was a former law enforcement officer and there seemed to be no love lost with him and SLED. When I took the class from him last year, he was super careful to cover everything in the curriculum and our class was a full 8 hours. What a shame.

Hope it works out for you. Hope SLED doesn't go revoking all CWPs of people that took his class.

 

[Everclear]

I almost went to him (my son did 2 years ago with full 8 hour class). Only reason I didn't is I went elsewhere with a friend. Considering how recent I took my class I think I really got lucky.
I heard people didn't want to take an 8 hour class & paid him extra for a 4 hour version. (Just a rumor).

 

[CrapouT]

I called SLED this morning requesting information on what I should do. They said if I was satisfied that I had 8 hours of training, I was required to take no action. It seems that the only students affected by this (at this time anyway) are those in the class he was actually arrested for.

 

[nca_mm]

What about where it says the students in his four hour class are going to be prosecuted? I bet some might not have known the required length of training time.

 

[CrapouT]

Applicants have to check a box on the SLED CWP application that states they have completed the required training and references the state code pertaining to that training. If you sign and didn't actually complete the described training you have technically committed perjury. Hardly seems fair to me because I doubt anyone actually pulls out the state code and looks it up.

 

[nca_mm]

This is definitely gonna open up a can of worms!

 

[FN1910]

My understanding from one article is that SLED is not going to do anything to the students but recommend that they retake the class. Only the instructor is going to be prosecuted and CWP's will not be revoked unless something else comes up such as the rumor about paying extra to not have to actually take the class.

 

[stingray2100]

I hope it is a misunderstanding. ( inocent until found guilty).

but if he is guilt then the law will take care of him. this behavior gives all instructors a bad reputation.

Just for a fast buck you lost your freedom, permit and the opportunity to teach others the correct way to defend there life and the life of the ones they care about...to me that is more important than a couple of bucks.

 

[CrapouT]

He was a great teacher too. He had a really nice multimedia format that integrated video clips from Clint Smith and security footage of actual CWP holder shooting incidents to illustrate the SLED curriculum. I have been shooting for decades and had a CWP in another state and I still learned tons from his class.

 

[melloyello]

For Argument sake..

To preface, the article says, "The class included just four hours of instruction. State law requires an eight-hour course with both classroom instruction and firing range session." I know law says that and details what needs to be taught....

BUT seriously could've completed that class in less than 2 hours.
Current laws, case laws, gun safety doesn't take that long.
Especially when case law at that time put away Jason Dickey.
Range qualifying took the most time, because it timed.
Most of the time I was bored and fought to stay awake.

Waited around for hours to meet the eight hours requirement.
Our instructor agreed it sucked but was very absolute in the eight hours.

Felt like I was in grade school were no one could leave or get up until the bell rang although you finished the test.

Do we really need a time requirement?

 

[Bigcarlover]

Felt like I was in grade school were no one could leave or get up until the bell rang although you finished the test.

Do we really need a time requirement?

Agreed the time limit is someone stupid especially with range time. Because whether its 2 people or 22 people you still have to fill 8 hours. It should be based on covering the materials and the range time.

 

[FN1910]

I agree that for lots of people the 8 hour deal is just overkill and boring to them. However for the vast majority of people it needs to be much longer but that is another story. I don't know the "technical" requirements of how the course has to be structured but I think the instructor should be given some leeway in the length of the course but if you do then you wind up with these type instructors where they don't bother to try and teach anything.

I have found that even the most experienced shooter will learn something by taking the course and to just hand out the certificates is cheating the student.

 

[nca_mm]

For Argument sake..

To preface, the article says, "The class included just four hours of instruction. State law requires an eight-hour course with both classroom instruction and firing range session." I know law says that and details what needs to be taught....

BUT seriously could've completed that class in less than 2 hours.
Current laws, case laws, gun safety doesn't take that long.
Especially when case law at that time put away Jason Dickey.
Range qualifying took the most time, because it timed.
Most of the time I was bored and fought to stay awake.

Waited around for hours to meet the eight hours requirement.
Our instructor agreed it sucked but was very absolute in the eight hours.

Felt like I was in grade school were no one could leave or get up until the bell rang although you finished the test.

Do we really need a time requirement?

I really enjoyed the classroom time in mine & the time passed wonderfully. Not because of the curriculum, mind you, but the insane & idiotic questions from the peanut gallery!!

 

[melloyello]

I really enjoyed the classroom time in mine & the time passed wonderfully. Not because of the curriculum, mind you, but the insane & idiotic questions from the peanut gallery!!

OK - those questions did keep me up...
They were entertaining but also very disconcerting.

I had a few people were new to shooting handguns.
Others never field stripped to clean their pistols.

One bought a new pistol that week and never fired it.
He didn't know his weapon or its safeties.

Another brought her husbands pistol and couldn't even rack the slide.
(Her first time with that weapon too).
She ended up using someone's BUG (revolver).

Everyone passed the course and ended up getting their CWP.

And I (or the range staff) haven't seen these people back at the range to practice.