Anti-Cop? Try living here!

[whodat2710]

Summerville SC cruiser... I saw this today at the gas station.
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[gunnerbob]

I truly hope that whoever is driving that cruiser believes what's posted on it.

 

[mappow]

Gotta love Summerville. Used to live there. Great people, low crime BUT it is truly a "Good ole Boy" area. Which can have pluses or negatives dependent on who's running the show. Roy Knight was a negative, Ray Nash was the plus in Dorchester County.
Do you know if Wayne DeWitt won Berkeley County? Another dam good guy.

 

[whodat2710]

Do you know if Wayne DeWitt won Berkeley County? Another dam good guy.

Yes he did.

 

[whodat2710]

I truly hope that whoever is driving that cruiser believes what's posted on it.

Their cars are like company cars, they drive them home as do most local and county forces around here. I think I would have noticed this before if it was standard issue, so I think it's his choice too put it there.

 

[r1derbike]

It's great that personal statements may be made. I hope an internet nanny complaint to the force doesn't require him to remove it.

 

[fuhr52]

I don't think it will take long for some bleeding heart liberal to get their panties in a twist. Being offended is part of the party platform. :sarcastic:

 

[whodat2710]

I don't think it will take long for some bleeding heart liberal to get their panties in a twist. Being offended is party of the party platform. :sarcastic:

Being in the Pacific Northwest I could see that being a possibility, but down here people will buy him lunch or something.

 

[fuhr52]

Don't judge the Pacific Northwest by the actions of 4 metro areas. There are plenty of us out here in the sticks that would buy him lunch or something.

 

[whodat2710]

Don't judge the Pacific Northwest by the actions of 4 metro areas. There are plenty of us out here in the sticks that would buy him lunch or something.

My point was that the likelihood of someone complaining about it here is between slim and none, with the best bet on "none".

 

[BluesStringer]

I've got a Velcro patch on the left shoulder of my jacket very similar to this one:

It will be the first thing a cop sees if approaching from the driver's side of my vehicle if I get pulled over while wearing a jacket.

I would no more expect that that patch would be significant of me being trustworthy to that same cop whose car is pictured in the OP than I think it prudent to think the same of him just because he put that tag on his patrol car. He'd be a fool to consider me "safe" or law-abiding just because of that patch, just as I'd be a fool to consider the same of him.

In short, as to the picture, so what?

Blues

 

[gunnerbob]

Blues, you know as well as I do that the patch on your jacket would likely signal to the officer that you're going to be a problem. In his eyes, you're probably "one of those guys" and thus should be treated accordingly...

 

[whodat2710]

I've got a Velcro patch on the left shoulder of my jacket very similar to this one:

It will be the first thing a cop sees if approaching from the driver's side of my vehicle if I get pulled over while wearing a jacket.

I would no more expect that that patch would be significant of me being trustworthy to that same cop whose car is pictured in the OP than I think it prudent to think the same of him just because he put that tag on his patrol car. He'd be a fool to consider me "safe" or law-abiding just because of that patch, just as I'd be a fool to consider the same of him.

In short, as to the picture, so what?

Blues

What you don't seem to get is that where I live your patch would probably start a conversation rather that getting the cops SA on edge. Half the time that I go to the range there are cops there shooting too. Its a smallish community and the department doesn't have their own range. I am also pretty sure the cops don't carry 1911's or revolvers, so the cops I see at the range are not just shooting their duty gun.
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So as to the picture, so what? Just trying to point out that we don't live in the martial law, jack-booted thug police state down here that some have been complaining of where they live, but little things like this are the only evidence you'll see without interaction. You don't get news story links to post about things that didn't happen. If we could get open carry I would like it better, but there's always gonna be something to fight for to make it better.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues, you know as well as I do that the patch on your jacket would likely signal to the officer that you're going to be a problem. In his eyes, you're probably "one of those guys" and thus should be treated accordingly...

Precisely my point.

What you don't seem to get is that where I live your patch would probably start a conversation rather that getting the cops SA on edge. Half the time that I go to the range there are cops there shooting too. Its a smallish community and the department doesn't have their own range. I am also pretty sure the cops don't carry 1911's or revolvers, so the cops I see at the range are not just shooting their duty gun.
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So as to the picture, so what? Just trying to point out that we don't live in the martial law, jack-booted thug police state down here that some have been complaining of where they live, but little things like this are the only evidence you'll see without interaction. You don't get news story links to post about things that didn't happen. If we could get open carry I would like it better, but there's always gonna be something to fight for to make it better.

Oh puhleeeszzz! The Gadsden Flag is, coincidentally enough, a SC-created symbol of individual liberty, not the symbol of tyranny by government that cops everywhere are participants in and enforcers of! You think ol' Col. Christopher Gadsden would accept that a British Loyalist was his ally just because he sported the same symbols as the Good Col. inspired Revolutionary Patriots with?

That same cop will arrest and charge you for OC'ing in SC! And he's not a thug? He's not a participant and enforcer of the police state? Pffft.

That same cop will park his cruiser facing you so you can feel just dandy about him being your patriotic ally as he mans an unconstitutional DUI checkpoint, demands that you show your papers, answer questions against your right to remain silent, searches your car visually and gets close enough to whiff your breath, runs his K-9 around your car if you refuse any of those intrusions, and who the heck knows? He might even say the dog alerted when it didn't really just so he can jerk you out of your car on further unconstitutional "reasonable articulable suspicion," but that Gadsden Flag-flyin' representative of the police state that the DUI stop is absolute proof of existing in this country, ain't part of jack-booted, brown-shirted, Stasi police state??? You got all that from some souvenir from a Tea Party rally that he hung on a cop car? Good grief.

And the only one who seems to have "got it" about my previous post is a guy getting ready to join that cop's ranks!

This country is as dead as the brains that could come up with such "logic."

Blues

 

[whodat2710]

That same cop will arrest and charge you for OC'ing in SC! And he's not a thug? He's not a participant and enforcer of the police state? Pffft. Since you and I both are law abiding citizens, that would never happen. Since that is the law here, though I don't like it, I will not be the one to force his hand on that one.

That same cop will park his cruiser facing you so you can feel just dandy about him being your patriotic ally as he mans an unconstitutional DUI checkpoint, demands that you show your papers, answer questions against your right to remain silent, searches your car visually and gets close enough to whiff your breath, runs his K-9 around your car if you refuse any of those intrusions, and who the heck knows? He might even say the dog alerted when it didn't really just so he can jerk you out of your car on further unconstitutional "reasonable articulable suspicion," but that Gadsden Flag-flyin' representative of the police state that the DUI stop is absolute proof of existing in this country, ain't part of jack-booted, brown-shirted, Stasi police state??? You got all that from some souvenir from a Tea Party rally that he hung on a cop car? Good grief.
Blues

Since this guy could have had the SC state flag (as many do) or "bears against drugs" or whatever, but chose to have the Gadsden Flag, I have hope that all is not lost. If the word comes down from on high to start confiscating guns, I think this guy would refuse to follow that unlawful order. Our sheriff is one of hundreds across the country that voluntarily added his name to the list of those that will uphold the Constitution rather than follow an unlawful federal mandate regarding guns confiscation. I am thinking that if the day came, these guys might just be on my side of the berm against the feds.
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It is not up to individual cops to decide the legality or Constitutionality of DUI checkpoints or any other task they are given. How they choose to execute that checkpoint is entirely up to them, and I have not heard any of the horror stories HERE that I have seen from other parts of the country. That was what I meant by not having proof to post about something that there are no news stories or court cases about.
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I guess the difference is that I am hopeful yet cautious, while you are just cautious.

 

[BluesStringer]

Since you and I both are law abiding citizens, that would never happen. Since that is the law here, though I don't like it, I will not be the one to force his hand on that one.

The point is that the Gadsden Flag is utterly meaningless to any cop. You can't be a Redcoat and also support the Revolution. His loyalties are divided no matter what he tells you or what he tries to convince himself of. That's true whether you force his hand on anything or not.

Since this guy could have had the SC state flag (as many do) or "bears against drugs" or whatever, but chose to have the Gadsden Flag, I have hope that all is not lost. If the word comes down from on high to start confiscating guns, I think this guy would refuse to follow that unlawful order. Our sheriff is one of hundreds across the country that voluntarily added his name to the list of those that will uphold the Constitution rather than follow an unlawful federal mandate regarding guns confiscation. I am thinking that if the day came, these guys might just be on my side of the berm against the feds.

Good grief, Chief, that day came and went with the NFA of '34! And then again when a US Senator copied the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 all but verbatim and got it passed under the moniker of GCA68! And that cop is already enforcing bans and confiscations, whether they took place on his watch or not, or whether you want to own full-auto weapons and likewise would never force his hand on that issue or not!

But whatever. You got hope because some cop hung a symbol of liberty on his car while he works for the government that represses, oppresses and more and more works towards making liberty illegal every single day. If that's all it takes to give you hope for this long-dead republic, there is no realism that could convince you, and reality hasn't pierced your fantasies of restoring the republic, far be it from me to deny you your enjoyment of them anymore than I already have. I'm out.

Blues

 

[gunnerbob]

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And the only one who seems to have "got it" about my previous post is a guy getting ready to join that cop's ranks!

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Blues

I'd just like to say that no decisions are final at this point, I may go into private practice of some sort. My mind is constantly torn between where I think I could do the most good...