Another Shooting

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cluznar

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Perry Hall, Maryland

In the High School.
A shooter wounded one student critically before the shooter was subdued by a teacher.

Luckily a teacher was able to overpower the student shooter, but should teachers be allowed to carry concealed in school?

:triniti:
 
I'm a gun rights advocate, But I have to wonder...If teachers are allowed to carry, but at the same time they don't make any moves to stop the bullying. then what happens? You have a bunch of teachers given the right to shoot bullied kids who are retaliating because of a problem that flourished because teachers didn't do anything about it in the first place! So, I say NO to letting teachers carry in the classroom or on school grounds, and YES to making them stop the bullying that caused the shooting, in the first place.
 
What in the heck is going on?...I went to that high school. Sounds like the kid was being teased. The teachers want to be the experts and the experts are in fear of their liability. More failed lib mentality.....print more money.
 
Should Teachers be Allowed

cluznar said:
Perry Hall, Maryland

In the High School.
A shooter wounded one student critically before the shooter was subdued by a teacher.

Luckily a teacher was able to overpower the student shooter, but should teachers be allowed to carry concealed in school?

:triniti:
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Shall not be infringed
 
Gen John Hausken said:
I'm a gun rights advocate, But I have to wonder...If teachers are allowed to carry, but at the same time they don't make any moves to stop the bullying. then what happens? You have a bunch of teachers given the right to shoot bullied kids who are retaliating because of a problem that flourished because teachers didn't do anything about it in the first place! So, I say NO to letting teachers carry in the classroom or on school grounds, and YES to making them stop the bullying that caused the shooting, in the first place.
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The solution to a gun problem at a gun free school campus is metal detectors.

If you cannot identify the little criminals or don't trust the honor students, then metal detectors like at the airports are the only solution.

Not arming the teachers.
 
Shoobee said:
Scalia happens to disagree with you. He says 2A is not a blank check.

Here, read:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
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I know...I know...this is good stuff

The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

But can I just focus on the stuff I like…


c. Meaning of the Operative Clause. Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment. We look to this because it has always been widely under*stood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed
 
I don't understand why bullying is being discussed like its something new. There have always been bullies, but we didn't used to shoot them, even though many of the pickups in the school parking lot had guns in the back windows. What am I missing?
 
K7lvo said:
I don't understand why bullying is being discussed like its something new. There have always been bullies, but we didn't used to shoot them, even though many of the pickups in the school parking lot had guns in the back windows. What am I missing?
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You're missing all the shattered egos of kids who have been told that they're special and unique and wonderful since they day they were born, who don't know how to handle it when someone doesn't like them. I can sympathize, and I think a lot of you can too. I spent the majority of a year in Jr. High being bullied by one specific kid before and after gym class. After finally having enough of it, I said "Knock it off!" and smacked him on the side of the head. Of course, a teacher walks around at that moment and sees me smack the kid, but somehow missed 180 days of me being tripped, shoved, spit on and body checked. So I got 1 day of in-school suspension. The other kid got 2 weeks. But that was as much as I've ever "flown off the handle" at someone. Not because it's not in my personality to do so, but because if I screwed up at something, I knew I earned 7th place or whatever. My parents encouraged me to to better, but didn't do much to fight my battles for me. I didn't grow up with some inflated sense of self worth, I knew I was worth what I put into something. I learned that I alone was responsible for my actions, and that every action I took had a consequence, whether good or bad. That's the difference between kids being bullied today, and kids who grew up being bullied decades ago.
 
AppliedPerspective said:
You're missing all the shattered egos of kids who have been told that they're special and unique and wonderful since they day they were born, who don't know how to handle it when someone doesn't like them. I can sympathize, and I think a lot of you can too. I spent the majority of a year in Jr. High being bullied by one specific kid before and after gym class. After finally having enough of it, I said "Knock it off!" and smacked him on the side of the head. Of course, a teacher walks around at that moment and sees me smack the kid, but somehow missed 180 days of me being tripped, shoved, spit on and body checked. So I got 1 day of in-school suspension. The other kid got 2 weeks. But that was as much as I've ever "flown off the handle" at someone. Not because it's not in my personality to do so, but because if I screwed up at something, I knew I earned 7th place or whatever. My parents encouraged me to to better, but didn't do much to fight my battles for me. I didn't grow up with some inflated sense of self worth, I knew I was worth what I put into something. I learned that I alone was responsible for my actions, and that every action I took had a consequence, whether good or bad. That's the difference between kids being bullied today, and kids who grew up being bullied decades ago.
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Yeah, I think you hit it, all right.

The unearned self esteem house of cards too often collapses with tragic results. (The results are tragic - the cause is criminally stupid.)
 
When bullying starts....is exactly when the police should be called. With a report filed maybe even an arrest, bet this would get the parents attention.
 
belair.patch.com reported Police: Bullying Not A Factor In Perry Hall High Shooting. Police say they found no evidence of bullying but there was evidence of some sort of objects being thrown in the cafeteria prior Robert Gladden Jr retrieving a broken down shotgun from a backpack hidden in a bathroom. The backpack was also found to contain a bottle of vodka. Gladden Jr is cooperating with police and confirmed he obtained the shotgun from his fathers house. The police searched his mothers residence and arrested his stepfather on marijuana and illegal firearm possession.
 
Farmhood said:
belair.patch.com reported Police: Bullying Not A Factor In Perry Hall High Shooting. Police say they found no evidence of bullying but there was evidence of some sort of objects being thrown in the cafeteria prior Robert Gladden Jr retrieving a broken down shotgun from a backpack hidden in a bathroom. The backpack was also found to contain a bottle of vodka. Gladden Jr is cooperating with police and confirmed he obtained the shotgun from his fathers house. The police searched his mothers residence and arrested his stepfather on marijuana and illegal firearm possession.
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Thanks for the update, Farmh.

Wow! Really white trash kid and family.

In some states you are liable if a kid gets their little mits on your firearm.
 
Farmhood said:
I know...I know...this is good stuff

The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

But can I just focus on the stuff I like…


c. Meaning of the Operative Clause. Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment. We look to this because it has always been widely under*stood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed
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Good, now I think you have the big picture.

Personally I am dismayed at Scalia, if this is the best he can do.

He seems troubled by states' rights, and he seems to want to sacrifice 2A on the alter of states' rights. I can see where he is coming from, and I agree with states rights. But I further believe that the pre-existing English right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed by the states either.

So for now we are saddled with a very narrow interpretation of 2A.

Basically according to Scalia, "keep and bear" only means within your own home. Too bad, because that does not deal with our runaway crime problem on the streets anywhere.

The indians, no longer red ones, but now white ones, black ones, and brown ones, are on the city streets, not just in the woods. There is no longer time to go and git yer gun from yer log cabbin anymore.
 
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