If you look back at Navy's posts relating to positive contact with Law Enforcement he has no appreciation for members passing on their positive stories when it is simply a LEO doing their job.
I really don't need a retrospective of Navy's posts, because I read nearly every one he makes. I also happen to agree with nearly every one he makes, and say much the same kinds of things as he does, though to be honest, I think my posts are generally less friendly to cops than his are.
But oh well, you went to the trouble of posting some examples, so I'll be polite and address them.
First, Navy made four posts in that thread. Was there one in particular that you wished to draw my attention to, or do all four exemplify the terrible attitude you perceive by Navy towards cops?
In his
first reply, he isn't badmouthing the cops at all. He's taking note of this weird predilection that many posters around here have, and which has been the subject of an active thread over the last week or so - that even when the law doesn't require people to notify cops of their armed status, they do so anyway in this beyond strange belief that it is the notification of being armed that gets them out of tickets etc. Navy was replying to that meme in his first reply, and it wasn't unfriendly in the least. Very matter-of-factly, he simply said,
"I've been stopped several times and gotten the same treatment. Never told them about my gun, they never asked." His impatience with the OP's rerunning the same tired ol' meme of "I just got out of a ticket because I sucked-up to a cop by telling him about my gun" could be construed as unfriendly I suppose, but it had nothing to do with the cop in the OP "simply doing his job."
His
second reply was a bit too esoteric for my simple mind to even get, but I perceived it as a comment on the repetitiveness of the meme of "I just got out of a ticket because I sucked-up to a cop by telling him about my gun." I'm probably wrong about that, but whatever, it certainly had nothing to do with being critical or otherwise unfriendly towards cops "simply doing their jobs." It was a comment (I think) about the OP, just like his first reply was.
His
third reply is right on point with why I think your jumping down his throat in this thread is unwarranted. He said:
I've had interaction with probably 20 good officers over the years and 1 bad. What I find interesting, though, is we pass by how many people in a day? Hundreds. How many criminals who attack us do we meet? Hopefully, none, but in most decent places maybe one or two in our entire lives? For 99.9% of the people on this forum it is perfectly acceptable and encouraged for us to carry a firearm for protection against the one or two criminal persons we might meet in our lifetime. But the minute someone mentions taking actions to protect oneself from a bad police officer (such as the suggestion to not volunteer any information not required to by law to provide), they are labelled by some of those members of this forum as being a "cop basher".
His
fourth reply though, was directly to you, and I have to wonder if that's not the reason you chose that thread to (fail) to make the point you claim he's guilty of; being unfriendly to posters who show almost slave-like deference to cops who are "simply doing their jobs."
I believe you just proved my point. Such a vehement response you offered to the simple statement of, "There is no real need to tell the police of objects that are in your legal possession unless required to by law."
He was right as far as I'm concerned. Your reply to his statement was completely overblown, IMNTBHO. Also included in his fourth reply was a video of a college law class where the lecturer was instructing the students to do exactly what Navy suggested; shut up when confronted by law enforcement. I noticed too, that you neglected to answer Navy's question about whether the lecturer was being the same kind of combative and negative poster you accused him in both that thread and this one of being. Since you brought up that thread, maybe you'd like to answer that question now?
Now this is a complete mystery to me why you're raggin' on Navy instead of the story related in the OP. The guy gets stopped and questioned, ordered to show his papers, by two cops
standing in the middle of the road stopping cars, and no one, not even Navy, takes note of the fact that there was
zero pretense related in the story for why cops were just stopping cars! It didn't sound like a DUI check, being as there were only two cops and they were
standing in the road stopping cars. Granted, the OP's story had a clever and funny punch line, but damn man! Why should he have had to deal with "Buba [sic]" in the first place under the circumstances he described? And what was "Buba" doing asking him about why he was 100 miles from home in the second place? My answer would've been, "Am I being detained? Am I free to go?" while the whole time I'd be thinking to myself, "Get your fat ass, Nazi self outta my way! This is a free country and I don't have to account for "why" I'm anywhere at any time you slovenly apology for yo' daddy's condom!"
Like I said, I'm generally less friendly to cops "simply doing their job" than NavyLCDR is.
Beyond that though, just like in this thread, all Navy said was that he passed a cop and wasn't hassled, even though he was speeding when he passed. How is that being critical or unfriendly to anyone in any way?
Also just like in this thread, your reply was about Navy's "chip on his shoulder" over something that didn't look "chip-like" to me at all. Maybe it's you that has a chip on his shoulder for all of us who don't just bend over and take abuses of our rights in stride, minor though some of them may be?
Man, you are really grasping at straws now. For one thing, Navy "Liked" the OP, which was about a cop who the poster had a conversation with and said he would refuse to enforce unconstitutional gun control laws.
In his one and only reply in the thread, it was to what is perhaps the weirdest post I've seen on this entire forum, and it had absolutely nothing to do with cops or with being unfriendly to the OP relating a positive story about them:
onlinebackground1 said:
What every kind of officers when you meet , then you do one things treat with officer very politey and effective way then you realize how much officer is good and kind with you
Most community colleges offer English as a second language courses.
Apparently, "onlinebackground1" has either been banned or the post that Navy (and others) replied to got deleted, but whatever, this is clearly you demonstrating a chip on your shoulder concerning Navy, not him demonstrating one on his shoulder concerning cops or the people who post positively about them.
Its just a history of negitive posts when someone is happy about an encounter that's all.
Sure it is. And how many times have you thanked Navy for digging out the actual law concerning any number of topics being discussed? He does other peoples' homework for them at least as often as he criticizes cops or the people who speak positively about them. And really, I don't think he criticizes cops or the people who post positive things about them as much as he simply posts in support of people standing up for their rights. If the cops get negativity from Navy in some of those instances, it's always because they overstepped their bounds, and it's rarely (if ever) the case that Navy is alone in that conclusion.
AND, NavyLCDR can pretend all he wants, but this was also meant as a sarcastic comment, Note the similar ... afterwards.
I think you're pretending that you know what's in Navy's heart and mind when he posts.
If you are interested in not pretending, and in getting to know the pseudonym "NavyLCDR" better than the pages of an internet forum could possibly allow, may I suggest going to this page and fast-forwarding the
Link Removed and start to get to know him as a real person rather than an anonymous poster for whom you have developed a predisposition to cast everything he says in a negative light.
If you're interested in how I knew that video was there and who it was speaking, check out this thread:
City Council and LEO above the law in Washington
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NavyLCDR, 01-01-2013 08:51 PM
No, I am not the leader of the NavyLCDR fan-club. I just answered the links you posted as being demonstrative of something that you perceive about the man that I don't see much evidence at all for it being accurate.
All that said and back to this thread, I still don't see what's wrong with relating a positive story about a cop who helped him get his daughter's wheelchair over a curb in a thread about a positive encounter with a cop. It was as innocuous an utterance as saying, "Good morning Kramer," and you coming back with, "What the Hell is that supposed to mean!" Get a grip.
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