Another irresponsible parent should be indicted for murder - Nevada School Shooting

Ringo said:
Isn't it amazing that parents are severely restrained by law when it comes to disciplining or controlling their children, however, at the same time parents be held accountable for the adverse actions and behavior of said children when they destroy property or break the law. If anything is to blame it's our ridiculous laws. America, still got to love it, eh?

~ We Reap What We Sow, More Than What We Sow, Later Than We Sow ~​
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Hit the nail directly on the head.
 
School shootings are a major problem which is becoming more frequent and the more it is advertised on television and the internet the more shootings it seems we have. I did some research and yes shootings have been going on since the 1700's but only in the last few years this problem has increased in the number of shootings per year. These are the figures I have: 2000 - 4, 2001 - 4, 2002 - 1, 2003- 2, 2004 - 3, 2005 - 3, 2006- 6, 2007- 4, 2008 - 7, 2009- 6. This is where you should take note and notice they are on the rise, 2010 - 10, 2011 - 8. 2012 - 12. This is where you should hold onto your hat 2013 - 16. Why is this happening I am not sure could it be the media: movies, internet, and the violent video games. Or can we attribute this to bullying, bad parenting? Can the parents lay their cell phones down long enough to care for and monitor their children? Whatever it maybe someone needs to be held responsible and when it comes to minors shooting up the schools, I can easily say, if the firearm was left out for the minor to carry it to school and shoot up the teachers and fellow students. Then Yes the parents should be held responsible. When is something going to be done? Is it when school shootings become an everyday occurrence or when teachers decide they chose the wrong occupation?
 
superprincess said:
School shootings are a major problem which is becoming more frequent and the more it is advertised on television and the internet the more shootings it seems we have. I did some research and yes shootings have been going on since the 1700's but only in the last few years this problem has increased in the number of shootings per year. These are the figures I have: 2000 - 4, 2001 - 4, 2002 - 1, 2003- 2, 2004 - 3, 2005 - 3, 2006- 6, 2007- 4, 2008 - 7, 2009- 6. This is where you should take note and notice they are on the rise, 2010 - 10, 2011 - 8. 2012 - 12. This is where you should hold onto your hat 2013 - 16. Why is this happening I am not sure could it be the media: movies, internet, and the violent video games. Or can we attribute this to bullying, bad parenting? Can the parents lay their cell phones down long enough to care for and monitor their children? Whatever it maybe someone needs to be held responsible and when it comes to minors shooting up the schools, I can easily say, if the firearm was left out for the minor to carry it to school and shoot up the teachers and fellow students. Then Yes the parents should be held responsible. When is something going to be done? Is it when school shootings become an everyday occurrence or when teachers decide they chose the wrong occupation?
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I can tell you right now your numbers are BS. I taught in an urban school for two years. In those two years there were three school shootings. None of them made the news. They didn't even make a blurb in the paper. Not all school shootings are listed. Why? I have no idea. Some might say, that it is expected in an environment where there is known gang activity. Now if that's how many school shootings that happened at my school about 13 years ago in two years; how many more were there in Chicago, NYC, Washington DC, Detroit, New Orleans, etc.?

Here's a list from Wikipedia of school shootings since the 1790's. List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems from them that there is an increase in the last two decades. But if the media didn't report some of these shootings that I know of 13 years ago, is it possible that the media kept a lot of them quiet 2, 3, 4 decades ago? And yes, the shootings that I was around for were in a school called Schenley High School in Pittsburgh. You will notice in the early 2000's they are not on the list.

Rather than try to come up with the "reasons" (I'm sure there are many reasons for each individual shooting), why don't we fix the problem that students and faculty are sitting ducks just waiting to be mowed down. Allow them their right to protect themselves and each other. Once word gets around that people are willing to stand up with equal power against a would-be shooter, the number of shooters will go down.
 
The rebellion, violence and immorality of our youth began when the teaching of creation & prayer were banned in our children's classrooms. Instead, they're taught in school that they are freaks of nature having evolved from animals, and when they act like animals we just can't figure out why. :rolleyes:

~ We Reap What We Sow, More Than What We Sow, Later Than We Sow ~​
 
wolf_fire , these numbers are from the internet. I am sure the government doesn't really want us to know how many school shootings there actually are. We all know the government keeps secrets, for instance area 51 and Fort Knox. Is the gold actually still there? I have my doubts.
 
arkansas ducker said:
Should a parent be responsible if their teenager were texting or driving under the influence and killed someone. We need to hold the person that did the deed responsible. Not someone that wasn't there. :shout:
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The problem I see in this statement is this is negligence on the parents side, Leaving the gun where their child could access it, and in your hypothesis that would be negligent on the teens side. 2 very different thing bud.
 
I think the government keeps but in this case I believe it would be to Obamas advantage to let it leak if there were any truth to it and I think we all know if he can use anything to his advantage he would. I feel for the families that lost lives in this useless tragedy, yes major stupidity and udder incompetence was involved that cost the lives of two people. Actions should be taken on the parents because this boy didn't just wake up one day and say let's go kill someone. Biggest problem I see in my opinion is the lack of positive involvement in there kids life. Seems like most want the teachers to do it for them. Just my 2 cents
 
arkansas ducker said:
Should a parent be responsible if their teenager were texting or driving under the influence and killed someone. We need to hold the person that did the deed responsible. Not someone that wasn't there. :shout:
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Most states have a law against texting when driving. As for the under the influence when driving, I would hope the parent would exercise good judgment and not provide their teenager with a car, if the teen shows him or herself as being irresponsible, meaning a bad attitude, refusing to help with chores, all around bad manners, neglecting school work, choice of friends can also say a lot about a person.
You know what they say why soar with turkeys when you can fly with eagles. :)
 
superprincess said:
wolf_fire , these numbers are from the internet. I am sure the government doesn't really want us to know how many school shootings there actually are. We all know the government keeps secrets, for instance area 51 and Fort Knox. Is the gold actually still there? I have my doubts.
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I realize that you most likely got your numbers from the Internet. I posted them to support your claim (see my thread again). My point is, if we have these numbers and have a known source that can verify the numbers are completely inaccurate, we cannot rely on those numbers to make any sort of point as to whether school shootings are increasing, decreasing, or staying about the same. I will tend to say that I certainly hear about more of them on the news. Does that necessarily mean they are on the rise?

The only point that can be made with those numbers is people who are unarmed are being shot and killed. Since we can attest that students and faculty are sitting ducks then give the faculty their right to self defense back.

Also, I mentioned nothing about the government. In fact, the sources from the site I posted are mostly news sources. I also mentioned that the news never reported the shootings at the school I taught at. Your beef about "hiding things" and "conspiracies" is with the media then. Unless of course, your source, which you never told us or shared with us, was government data.
 
Another gun free zone shooting, while tragic, I hope it wakes up the Politicians in our nations capital. There is a trend here they have been ignoring for way too many years. Although its assumed this teen had easy access to his parents weapons, key word is assumed, and you can not always blame the parents for their children's actions much like a child committing suicide due to bullying, this may very well be one of those episodes where a teen snaps due to bullying, or our recent societies change in child disciplinary actions.

When I was a kid [not too many years ago] if I screwed up good enough, I had gotten my butt whooped as where today, kids are so protected, parents can no longer do it, now were supposed to give them a "time out" or what ever. Society its self is to blame for todays youth actions, you can blame it on the video games and the movies, but when do we look at the real issues here? No discipline, no supervision, gun free zones, all of these issues brought to the attention of our nations leaders in one fashion or another and every time, they blame the gun. A gun is a useless tool until put into the hands of a man or woman.
I am sure we havent heard the last of this issue here, but we can not jump to conclusions until the official report pops out. This one will be interesting to say the least.
 
The only time out that I ever received was the time between my spanking and the start of extra chores for what I did. It made me a better person and my Dad is still my best friend now. Its high time we go back to those days.
 
superprincess said:
Most states have a law against texting when driving. As for the under the influence when driving, I would hope the parent would exercise good judgment and not provide their teenager with a car, if the teen shows him or herself as being irresponsible, meaning a bad attitude, refusing to help with chores, all around bad manners, neglecting school work, choice of friends can also say a lot about a person.
You know what they say why soar with turkeys when you can fly with eagles. :)
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I agree, but however there is always that one time. Kids will do stupid things, I did. But my parents were not the one that were at fault. I just never got caught, however if I did I knew the consequences.
 
wolf_fire said:
Even if the parents aren't arrested for their negligence, then I hope the families of the victims take everything they have from them in civil court, just like their son took everything from that teacher.

When, oh when, will states realize that taking away peoples' rights to defend themselves always ends up poorly for the victims, not the criminals?
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2 Interesting points here.
If my son were dead from no matter what the cause, I would have already lost more than anyone could ever take from me.
and secondly, Negligence Charges because a Minor was allowed to access a firearm? This from someone who advocates ANYONE should be able to own a gun?
No Charges needed here.
 
You can bet that if the gun was not secured by the parents, the chances of the next form of gun control will be a Federal law requiring mandatory storage of all guns. They could easily copy CA law and it probably would pass without too much compromise.
 
As noted earlier, this is not simple. However, if it was simple negligence by the parents by not teaching their kids and allowing them access without restraint; well that makes it harder on the rest of us. Then there's the whole upbringing piece; who taught the child that shooting someone was the right way to go when you don't like them? What caused the kid to snap like that? The child eventually killed himself, how does that happen at that age?!? No matter what happens from here on out, it is a tragedy. Everyone lost in this one, and as usual lately; no answers. God help us from ourselves.
 
Ringo said:
The rebellion, violence and immorality of our youth began when the teaching of creation & prayer were banned in our children's classrooms. Instead, they're taught in school that they are freaks of nature having evolved from animals, and when they act like animals we just can't figure out why. :rolleyes:

~ We Reap What We Sow, More Than What We Sow, Later Than We Sow ~​
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Teaching them fairy tales is not the solution, parents taking responsibility and actually parenting is.

Why would any sane parent teach the nonsense of creation to a child, willful ignorance begets ignorance.
 
I will bet that when all the dust settles it will come out that this kid was on Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft or some other SSRI drug. That seems to be the common denominator these days. Doctors pass these drugs out like they are green M&M's. Your child won't do his homework better give them Zoloft.
 
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