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stimpylu32
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sambo42xa
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Not taking sides here, but.............MAYBE the 16 yo "fit" the discription of a break-in OR previous breaks and the officer was doing his/her job for questioning until everything was confirmed. As far as the ride to the grandp., MAYBE it was right around the corner from where the stop was made? Who knows, I really do not see anything wrong with the "stop" but the ride..yes.
Absolutely!!!!!Tell the mother to call a civil rights attorney immeadiately
I had something like that happen to me once while skipping school in Anaheim. I got stopped, and told the officer I was returning home to get something, typical lame 15-yr old nonsense, but, after he searched me and all that, he agreed to let me go on my way home. Followed me all the way. This doesn't make it right, but at least they gave your son a ride. Mine was about a five-mile hike in 90+ heat; bussing and all that, you know. Sorry to hear of this, but it happens. Be thankful he wasn't doing anything wrong. You can sue them, but it will take years, and if you do win, yhey will just appeal, tying it up for years again. Very expensive, too. The gov doesn't have to pay to file writs and motions, but you do.
A guy I know ended up in LA County Jail for back child support. He was there several days waiting for a trial, and his cellmates were both large (over 6', 200 lbs), African-American gang members; my friend is white, pudgy at 5'10" and 175 lbs, from some little town in South Dakota. and had no clue how to act or anything. The judge ordered him released, but the Jail Administration held him overnight anyway.
During which he was attacked in his sleep, beaten, had his scull fractured, and was raped several times by his cellmates. Both turned out to be three-strikers going away for a long time; they had nothing to lose. The Trustees on duty (prisoners who've "earned" the priveledge to watch things in locked areas, work in the kitchen, etc) ignored the whole thing; he was found unconscious next morning when they came to turn him loose.
He sued the State of california, City of Los Angeles, LA County, everyone he could. I think it might even have been on video; the cellmates were both convicted on several counts. This was in 1998. About two years ago, he won his case: something like two million dollars. the other side immediately appealed, and it's likely that his grandchildren will actually end up with the money.
Not only did this NOT make the papers (did you ever hear about it? I swear to God it happened), the court treated it like a property dispute or something, taking years to try it. They fought about the money. Claims of responsibility. They didn't even pick up his hospital tab; he's probably still paying on it. And he still gets tested for HIV every six months, all negative so far. I think he'll be alright there.
Count your blessings; it could have been a lot worse.
KBV
A guy I know ended up in LA County Jail for back child support. He was there several days waiting for a trial, and his cellmates were both large (over 6', 200 lbs), African-American gang members; my friend is white, pudgy at 5'10" and 175 lbs, from some little town in South Dakota. and had no clue how to act or anything. The judge ordered him released, but the Jail Administration held him overnight anyway.
During which he was attacked in his sleep, beaten, had his scull fractured, and was raped several times by his cellmates. Both turned out to be three-strikers going away for a long time; they had nothing to lose. The Trustees on duty (prisoners who've "earned" the priveledge to watch things in locked areas, work in the kitchen, etc) ignored the whole thing; he was found unconscious next morning when they came to turn him loose.
He sued the State of california, City of Los Angeles, LA County, everyone he could. I think it might even have been on video; the cellmates were both convicted on several counts. This was in 1998. About two years ago, he won his case: something like two million dollars. the other side immediately appealed, and it's likely that his grandchildren will actually end up with the money.
Not only did this NOT make the papers (did you ever hear about it? I swear to God it happened), the court treated it like a property dispute or something, taking years to try it. They fought about the money. Claims of responsibility. They didn't even pick up his hospital tab; he's probably still paying on it. And he still gets tested for HIV every six months, all negative so far. I think he'll be alright there.
Count your blessings; it could have been a lot worse.
KBV
Xader
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Exactly.
On some other forum, a Canadian was saying something like: "Typical self-centered American. Your country voted for him, so you have to respect him."
My reply was along the lines of:
"As long as there is free will, I am not obligated to respect any person, especially one who acts directly against my beliefs and interests.
I love my country, but I respect the office, not the man."
vn6869
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Back on subject, if that doesn't detract from the political tirates, my only concern is the cuffing the youth.
If there were a lot of breakins/burglaries, the cops seem to have been trying to do their job. I personnally don't believe they have any obligation to give someone a ride.
As for as getting an attorney, how the hell do you thing this country got so screwed up?? Paricularly the ACLU, get serious.
If there were a lot of breakins/burglaries, the cops seem to have been trying to do their job. I personnally don't believe they have any obligation to give someone a ride.
As for as getting an attorney, how the hell do you thing this country got so screwed up?? Paricularly the ACLU, get serious.
First, most police departments now have a rule that anyone taken into custody be handcuffed. 2nd, I don't argue that no one has aright to a ride, but if you,ve ever walked five or ten miles back to your car after being released from custody, only to pass the arresting officer a block later, you have to wonder why he couldn't have been cool about it and given you a ride. 3rd, after everything I went through up north (the police literally declared war on me and harrassed me to the point a judge told them to lay off), I spent two years tryig to find a lawyer to take the case, which was so blatent it's almost funny; no one, not the local "underdog" attorney, the ACLU, Legal Aid, or any of the other at least two dozen lawyers I contacted would touch my case. Even the networks didn't want in on that one.
The only other thing that might have bearing on this situation is: how was the young man dressed? If he had on baggy pants, etc, and especially if he was wearing anything with a local gang's "colors" on it; hat, headband, neckerchief, etc, that might have had something to do with his being hauled in. It's a shame the world has gotten this way, but even the Arizona Rangers, a non-empowered auxilliary organization, issues bullet-proof vests to everyone as soon as they are accepted, at no cost. I believe firearm education is one key to bringing down the gun violence, along with community action to provide kids with something to do besides wander the streets aimlessly or play gory video games. To the police, unless they know you, anyone can turn out to be a real threat to their lives, and I personally cannot blame them for taking precautions, though I think they often overstep their boundaries. I am just glad the kid didn't make any fast moves or anything that might have gotten him killed. "Profiling" is not right, but it is also not likely to go away. My policy is not to ask for trouble, and that includes how I dress, act, and, especially, respond to the police if stopped. Keep in mind, there is safety in numbers, and there are a lot of LEAs out there; they pretty much do as they please, and I keep that in mind at all times. Thank you, and keep your powder dry. KBV
The only other thing that might have bearing on this situation is: how was the young man dressed? If he had on baggy pants, etc, and especially if he was wearing anything with a local gang's "colors" on it; hat, headband, neckerchief, etc, that might have had something to do with his being hauled in. It's a shame the world has gotten this way, but even the Arizona Rangers, a non-empowered auxilliary organization, issues bullet-proof vests to everyone as soon as they are accepted, at no cost. I believe firearm education is one key to bringing down the gun violence, along with community action to provide kids with something to do besides wander the streets aimlessly or play gory video games. To the police, unless they know you, anyone can turn out to be a real threat to their lives, and I personally cannot blame them for taking precautions, though I think they often overstep their boundaries. I am just glad the kid didn't make any fast moves or anything that might have gotten him killed. "Profiling" is not right, but it is also not likely to go away. My policy is not to ask for trouble, and that includes how I dress, act, and, especially, respond to the police if stopped. Keep in mind, there is safety in numbers, and there are a lot of LEAs out there; they pretty much do as they please, and I keep that in mind at all times. Thank you, and keep your powder dry. KBV
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TinkerBang
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KVB
the kid wasn't in custody he was just being questioned, also he is a very clean cut kid he isn't into the baggy pants thing thank goodness
we don't live in a "bad" neighborhood and on the outskirts of Orlando, Kind of in the "sticks"
the kid wasn't in custody he was just being questioned, also he is a very clean cut kid he isn't into the baggy pants thing thank goodness
we don't live in a "bad" neighborhood and on the outskirts of Orlando, Kind of in the "sticks"
First, most police departments now have a rule that anyone taken into custody be handcuffed. 2nd, I don't argue that no one has aright to a ride, but if you've ever walked five or ten miles back to your car after being released from custody, only to pass the arresting officer a black later, you have to wonder why he couldn't have been cool about it and given you a ride. 3rd, After everything I went through up north (the police literally declared war on me and harrassed me to the point a judge told them to lay off), I spent two years tryig to find a lawyer to take the case, which was so blatent it's almost funny; no one, not the local "underdog" attorney, the ACLU, Legal Aid, or any of the other at least two dozen lawyers I contacted would touch my case. Even the networks didn't want in on that one.
The only reason I was ever given was that it would cost too much to prosecute; as the state does not pay filing and writ fees, nor have to pay $2 a page for the transcripts of what will be a long, drawn-out battle, with the State, et al, they can file unlimited paperwork, all of which has to be responded to, and often a fee paid to file it.
We did have to pay for all that, both in time, and in cash. The conservative estimate was it could go as high as a million dollars to even make it through the trial, with no guarantee of winning, but a definite guarantee the State would appeal with another avalanche of writs, motions, objections, whatever they could come up with to drive us broke. Other cases have been tied up over ten years and the person harmed (grievously), and his attorneys, have yet to see a dime, even though they were awarded two mil.plus in the first trial.
We went to the Governer, Senators and Representatives (oddly enough, the Sheriff's Dept. was actually on my side, and did their best to see to it I wasn't hurt, or falsely arrested. I think three City officers filed reports requesting my CCW and gun rights be taken, but it was the Sheriff's decision; backed by at least two Municipal Judges and most of the State Supreme Court, I not only kept my permit, but was court-ordered to have my pistol returned "at once!" Someone broke the firing pin while it was in custody ... what are you gonna do? I always carry an extrs piece, sometimes two; I have been rushed for my pistol by several men at once, thinking to catch me by surprise, and I didn't even need to draw for that one; just showed them I could and it wasn't worth their trouble to find out the hard way.
The only other thing that might have bearing on this current situation is: how was the young man dressed? If he had on baggy pants, etc, and especially if he was wearing anything with a local gang's "colors" on it; hat, headband, neckerchief, etc, that might have had something to do with his being hauled in. It's a shame the world has gotten this way, but even the Arizona Rangers, a non-empowered auxilliary organization, issues bullet-proof vests to everyone as soon as they are accepted, at no cost. I believe firearm education is one key to bringing down the gun violence, along with community action to provide kids with something to do besides wander the streets aimlessly or play gory video games. To the police, unless they know you, anyone can turn out to be a real threat to their lives, and I personally cannot blame them for taking precautions, though I think they often overstep their boundaries. I am just glad the kid didn't make any fast moves or anything that might have gotten him killed. "Profiling" is not right, but it is also not likely to go away. My policy is not to ask for trouble, and that includes how I dress, act, and, especially, respond to the police if stopped. Keep in mind, there is safety in numbers, and there are a lot of LEAs out there; they pretty much do as they please, and I keep that in mind at all times. Thank you, and keep your powder dry. KBV
The only reason I was ever given was that it would cost too much to prosecute; as the state does not pay filing and writ fees, nor have to pay $2 a page for the transcripts of what will be a long, drawn-out battle, with the State, et al, they can file unlimited paperwork, all of which has to be responded to, and often a fee paid to file it.
We did have to pay for all that, both in time, and in cash. The conservative estimate was it could go as high as a million dollars to even make it through the trial, with no guarantee of winning, but a definite guarantee the State would appeal with another avalanche of writs, motions, objections, whatever they could come up with to drive us broke. Other cases have been tied up over ten years and the person harmed (grievously), and his attorneys, have yet to see a dime, even though they were awarded two mil.plus in the first trial.
We went to the Governer, Senators and Representatives (oddly enough, the Sheriff's Dept. was actually on my side, and did their best to see to it I wasn't hurt, or falsely arrested. I think three City officers filed reports requesting my CCW and gun rights be taken, but it was the Sheriff's decision; backed by at least two Municipal Judges and most of the State Supreme Court, I not only kept my permit, but was court-ordered to have my pistol returned "at once!" Someone broke the firing pin while it was in custody ... what are you gonna do? I always carry an extrs piece, sometimes two; I have been rushed for my pistol by several men at once, thinking to catch me by surprise, and I didn't even need to draw for that one; just showed them I could and it wasn't worth their trouble to find out the hard way.
The only other thing that might have bearing on this current situation is: how was the young man dressed? If he had on baggy pants, etc, and especially if he was wearing anything with a local gang's "colors" on it; hat, headband, neckerchief, etc, that might have had something to do with his being hauled in. It's a shame the world has gotten this way, but even the Arizona Rangers, a non-empowered auxilliary organization, issues bullet-proof vests to everyone as soon as they are accepted, at no cost. I believe firearm education is one key to bringing down the gun violence, along with community action to provide kids with something to do besides wander the streets aimlessly or play gory video games. To the police, unless they know you, anyone can turn out to be a real threat to their lives, and I personally cannot blame them for taking precautions, though I think they often overstep their boundaries. I am just glad the kid didn't make any fast moves or anything that might have gotten him killed. "Profiling" is not right, but it is also not likely to go away. My policy is not to ask for trouble, and that includes how I dress, act, and, especially, respond to the police if stopped. Keep in mind, there is safety in numbers, and there are a lot of LEAs out there; they pretty much do as they please, and I keep that in mind at all times. Thank you, and keep your powder dry. KBV
Angry
hey, Tinkerbang,
Glad to hear the kid isnt dressing the part of the bad guys. What happened is unfortunate; I went through that sort of thing all the time when I was a kid (early seventies). The problem is: the police, justified or not, generally can use whatever reasonable restraints they deem necessary; it's their call. I got arrested once in Utah for having a loaded .22 single-shot packed in the back of my van. My brother or someone had used it, neglected to unload it, and when I packed to go to school, it was put in still loaded. No excuse for that, but the officer who pulled me over almost beat the s*** out of me; he had the rifle, a kid's Winchester, in position to smash me in the mouth when another officer arrived.
This rifle was packed in a box that was on top in the very back of the van; no way I could have gotten to it while driving. I wasn't even aware it was there. The LEOs tore my van apart, charged me with DUI (I'd just had one beer with dinner, buit that was enough out in the middle of nowhere), and I wasn't even driving. They confiscated the rifle, took all my money, plus a ham, a big cervalot, and a bottle of Dom Perignon my folks had sent with me to give to my dad's best man at his wedding (we stayed with them until we found an apartment). I had another guy with me, who was only nineteen, driving at the time. Even though he had nothing to drink, they also charged me with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It was either pay or stay; we paid. It was their word against ours, and we were just glad to get out of St. George in one piece. There is a lot of power behind a badge, and not all LEs are suited to have it. Neither of us ever went back.
Thank you, and keep your powder dry.
KBV
hey, Tinkerbang,
Glad to hear the kid isnt dressing the part of the bad guys. What happened is unfortunate; I went through that sort of thing all the time when I was a kid (early seventies). The problem is: the police, justified or not, generally can use whatever reasonable restraints they deem necessary; it's their call. I got arrested once in Utah for having a loaded .22 single-shot packed in the back of my van. My brother or someone had used it, neglected to unload it, and when I packed to go to school, it was put in still loaded. No excuse for that, but the officer who pulled me over almost beat the s*** out of me; he had the rifle, a kid's Winchester, in position to smash me in the mouth when another officer arrived.
This rifle was packed in a box that was on top in the very back of the van; no way I could have gotten to it while driving. I wasn't even aware it was there. The LEOs tore my van apart, charged me with DUI (I'd just had one beer with dinner, buit that was enough out in the middle of nowhere), and I wasn't even driving. They confiscated the rifle, took all my money, plus a ham, a big cervalot, and a bottle of Dom Perignon my folks had sent with me to give to my dad's best man at his wedding (we stayed with them until we found an apartment). I had another guy with me, who was only nineteen, driving at the time. Even though he had nothing to drink, they also charged me with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It was either pay or stay; we paid. It was their word against ours, and we were just glad to get out of St. George in one piece. There is a lot of power behind a badge, and not all LEs are suited to have it. Neither of us ever went back.
Thank you, and keep your powder dry.
KBV
Wow, that's just about the ugliest LEO encounter I've heard of. Back where I grew up the local yahoos had their maryjane taken from them and they were sent on their way. Those who got pulled out of a ditch for drinking and driving were followed home to make sure they didn't hit anyone.
BradAnderson
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Actually the OP was posting about incidents that started when OBAMA won and took office (i.e. break-ins starting 2 months before March of 2009).
I think that's got more to do with it, since now the state thinks it can get away with more, now that the power-hungry democrats took office.
This is just like when Clinton took office, and we got Waco and Ruby Ridge-- and then Oklahoma City in retalliation for it.
BradAnderson
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Ok, here's the law. Unless the police 1) have a warrant for the person, 2) witness the person commit a misdemeanor, or 3) have reasonable suspicion that the person committed a felony, then they generally cannot make an arrest.
They also cannot detain a person without an arrest, except on a reasonable suspicion to search for dangerous weapons, if they believe that a crime is about to be committed, or has been committed.
This is clearly a case of false arrest, if true; since there was no charge.
As for finding a lawyer, you have to find a Civil Rights attorney who will be willing to sue in federal court.
Most lawyers don't know enough to file for malicious defense and aggravation, as well as bad fath-- all of which are forbidden by court rules of every state; this will prevent the city from stalling you forever in court.
If it's a clear case, then a good lawyer will get you a quick settlement by showing that he'll go the distance, and cost the other side FAR more than it will save.
Anger
Tink (OK to call you that?),
I do feel for the lad, but having been a life-long police magnet, please believe me when I say it could have been much worse. may I offer a few thoughts on the subject? Thank you.
First, consider who we are dealing with: LEs wake up most every morning, try to act normal, then strap on body anger, arm themselves to the hilt; large,-bore pistols they are trained to shoot to kill, enough ammunition to start a small war, AR15s, Mossberg 12 ga.pump shotguns, and all the ammo they can carry. Taser, night stick, collapsible, spring-loaded steel whip baton, top-drawer radio and cell phone, nut-cup, and whatever else they can find for protection and cause injuries. And most dangerous, especially in the wrong hands, the badge. symbol of complete, total authority to whom winning is everything. , all linked together through an encrypted computer system.
Most are good people; some are not, but almost to a man or woman, there is an underlying current of fear and Adrenalin; part concerned if this will be their last day, fascinated by all the firepower at their hands and the responsibility at their feet, trained to kill without a moment's hesitation. They never avoid trouble; they spend most of their time looking for it, and when was the last time you heard of the police backing down? I don't know if this qualifies for questionable mental conditions, but most cops I know will fight with everything they have, almost to the last one standing, and they cover, capture, and severely punish anyone who touches so much as a hair on another cop's head.
They have access to any type of vehicle imaginable: special-training-required interceptors capable of professional competition, big, comfortable souped-up luxury cars, beaters, Hummers, armored assault vehicles, and tanks.
And there seems to be an endless supply of them. They watch each other's backs, and will come from thousands of miles away, at their own expense, to aid another officer or department under fire. The police, et al, are virtually unbeatable, and some abuse the power. They never explain or apologize for anything they do.
It's even possible;e they drove the kid home for his own safety; good neighborhood or bad, stuff goes down all over the place. Was there a curfew in effect? Is he any sort of "walking target"? well dressed, alone, walking through poorly-lighted areas? Perhaps with a pretty girl?
Whenever I take all these, and more, things into consideration, the hardest thing for me to believe is that I am still alive and in possession of all my rights. Many tend to throw their weight around, but I wonder if some of that is simply staying psyched up in case things go south. I know quite a few, and I often wonder , if the order did come down, how many would actually go from house to house collecting guns. There may be plenty more where they came from, but even a ten or twenty minute head start is better than none.
Last but not least, for all the individual rights the police break in doing their jobs, would you prefer to not have them at all? There used to be a bumper sticker that read something like: "If you don't like the police, next time you're in trouble, call a hippie." Well, minus the badge and the taser, I pretty much carry at all times.'
The cat stepped on my keyboard, erasing the end of this rant. tired, now; will try to finish later.
kbv
Tink (OK to call you that?),
I do feel for the lad, but having been a life-long police magnet, please believe me when I say it could have been much worse. may I offer a few thoughts on the subject? Thank you.
First, consider who we are dealing with: LEs wake up most every morning, try to act normal, then strap on body anger, arm themselves to the hilt; large,-bore pistols they are trained to shoot to kill, enough ammunition to start a small war, AR15s, Mossberg 12 ga.pump shotguns, and all the ammo they can carry. Taser, night stick, collapsible, spring-loaded steel whip baton, top-drawer radio and cell phone, nut-cup, and whatever else they can find for protection and cause injuries. And most dangerous, especially in the wrong hands, the badge. symbol of complete, total authority to whom winning is everything. , all linked together through an encrypted computer system.
Most are good people; some are not, but almost to a man or woman, there is an underlying current of fear and Adrenalin; part concerned if this will be their last day, fascinated by all the firepower at their hands and the responsibility at their feet, trained to kill without a moment's hesitation. They never avoid trouble; they spend most of their time looking for it, and when was the last time you heard of the police backing down? I don't know if this qualifies for questionable mental conditions, but most cops I know will fight with everything they have, almost to the last one standing, and they cover, capture, and severely punish anyone who touches so much as a hair on another cop's head.
They have access to any type of vehicle imaginable: special-training-required interceptors capable of professional competition, big, comfortable souped-up luxury cars, beaters, Hummers, armored assault vehicles, and tanks.
And there seems to be an endless supply of them. They watch each other's backs, and will come from thousands of miles away, at their own expense, to aid another officer or department under fire. The police, et al, are virtually unbeatable, and some abuse the power. They never explain or apologize for anything they do.
It's even possible;e they drove the kid home for his own safety; good neighborhood or bad, stuff goes down all over the place. Was there a curfew in effect? Is he any sort of "walking target"? well dressed, alone, walking through poorly-lighted areas? Perhaps with a pretty girl?
Whenever I take all these, and more, things into consideration, the hardest thing for me to believe is that I am still alive and in possession of all my rights. Many tend to throw their weight around, but I wonder if some of that is simply staying psyched up in case things go south. I know quite a few, and I often wonder , if the order did come down, how many would actually go from house to house collecting guns. There may be plenty more where they came from, but even a ten or twenty minute head start is better than none.
Last but not least, for all the individual rights the police break in doing their jobs, would you prefer to not have them at all? There used to be a bumper sticker that read something like: "If you don't like the police, next time you're in trouble, call a hippie." Well, minus the badge and the taser, I pretty much carry at all times.'
The cat stepped on my keyboard, erasing the end of this rant. tired, now; will try to finish later.
kbv
RDW,
I'm with you, brother...I, too, am old and grouchy, and have long considered myself on the line between libertarianism and anarchy. Truly, I believe that I can take care of myself and my family and do not need cradle to grave nanny gov't. Alas, I feel we're in the minority, here, as more and more of our populace looks for handouts. Tis time for the revolution, but it might only be me and you and a very few others...
I'm with you, brother...I, too, am old and grouchy, and have long considered myself on the line between libertarianism and anarchy. Truly, I believe that I can take care of myself and my family and do not need cradle to grave nanny gov't. Alas, I feel we're in the minority, here, as more and more of our populace looks for handouts. Tis time for the revolution, but it might only be me and you and a very few others...
kbv,
Appreciate your posts on LE. For the record, have friends in LE and am fairly sympathetic to the breed. Basically, I'm a law and order kind of guy. That said, I cannot help but feel that we civilians are surrounded by a paramilitary presence (see your post above) that is capable of crushing dissent. What do do?
In the most basic sense, I do not like that there are people walking around with arrest powers, who have the power to deny your basic freedoms any time they like. It may only be for 5 minutes, an hour, a day, etc. but basically, any cop, any time can choose to deny you your freedom. That bothers me. Add to this the fact that, for the most part, cops provide a cleanup action (i.e., the crime has already been committed, then they show up) and I'm left wondering why we need so many of them. Personally, I feel it is every citizen's right to proactively confront crime when it affects them (like, say, by drawing/using a firearm). If every one did this, then we would only need a mop-up action by a much smaller police force. Of course, they are those who will choose not to train or arm themselves (they're called sheep). However, my point still stands: for the most part, sheep are not protected against immediate crime, they are simply mopped up off the asphalt after the fact.
Everyone should treat others and be treated, with respect. If you don't treat me with respect, maybe you get a black eye for your trouble. And I expect to get one, too, if I don't treat you with respect. If you attempt to foist a serious crime on me or my family (or even another unknown civilian while I'm around), then maybe you get scraped up off the asphalt. At any rate, every citizen should be responsible for his/her safety. LE cannot provide personal protection for all individuals. Bottom line: we don't need so many paramilitary-trained cops around, as far as I'm concerned. My 2 cents.
Appreciate your posts on LE. For the record, have friends in LE and am fairly sympathetic to the breed. Basically, I'm a law and order kind of guy. That said, I cannot help but feel that we civilians are surrounded by a paramilitary presence (see your post above) that is capable of crushing dissent. What do do?
In the most basic sense, I do not like that there are people walking around with arrest powers, who have the power to deny your basic freedoms any time they like. It may only be for 5 minutes, an hour, a day, etc. but basically, any cop, any time can choose to deny you your freedom. That bothers me. Add to this the fact that, for the most part, cops provide a cleanup action (i.e., the crime has already been committed, then they show up) and I'm left wondering why we need so many of them. Personally, I feel it is every citizen's right to proactively confront crime when it affects them (like, say, by drawing/using a firearm). If every one did this, then we would only need a mop-up action by a much smaller police force. Of course, they are those who will choose not to train or arm themselves (they're called sheep). However, my point still stands: for the most part, sheep are not protected against immediate crime, they are simply mopped up off the asphalt after the fact.
Everyone should treat others and be treated, with respect. If you don't treat me with respect, maybe you get a black eye for your trouble. And I expect to get one, too, if I don't treat you with respect. If you attempt to foist a serious crime on me or my family (or even another unknown civilian while I'm around), then maybe you get scraped up off the asphalt. At any rate, every citizen should be responsible for his/her safety. LE cannot provide personal protection for all individuals. Bottom line: we don't need so many paramilitary-trained cops around, as far as I'm concerned. My 2 cents.
BradAnderson
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Oh, how wrong you are. There's no incentive to look for trouble, vs. harass innocent citizens who won't shoot them. Anyone who says that LEO's look out for the people, are idiots: they look out for themselves.
They call for back-UP. But mostly, they just avoid the situation if possible, leave the victim to fend for themselves, and arrive when it's over in order to "save the day--" including to arrest the victim if they broke any laws in the process.
The Supreme Court's already ruled that they're under no obligation to protect any citizen, so why bother?
And to hell with Joe Citizen's. It's sort of an "unwritten code" that LEO's have with the BG's-- "mess with the masses, and we'll play by the rules-- but mess with US, and the gloves come off." It's clearly understood that there's 2 sets of rules.
Relatively speaking.
Yes, I'd prefer a private security firm.
