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ezkl2230

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FONTANA, Calif. (AP) — The high-powered semiautomatic rifles recently shipped to school police in this Southern California city look like they belong on a battlefield rather than in a high school, but officials here say the weapons could help stop a massacre like the one that claimed the lives of 26 students and educators in Connecticut just weeks ago.... The officers, who already wear sidearms, wouldn't be able to stop a shooter like the one in Connecticut, he said Wednesday.

"They're not walking around telling kids, 'Hurry up and get to class' with a gun around their neck," the chief said. "Parents need to know that if there was a shooter on their child's campus that was equipped with body armor or a rifle, we would be limited in our ability to stop that threat to their children."

So even though it has been clearly established that the Newtown shooter was NOT wearing body armor, that lie is still being perpetuated. What is equally disturbing are the cherry-picked statements from the students.

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buckfynn

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Dianne Feinstein is probably frothing at the mouth with having a S Cal. school armed with "assault weapons."
 

rev. dave

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There are so many lies around the Sandy Hook event it's starting to smell like a false flag operation dipped in hog-puckey and deep-fried in home-made sin. In fact, I'm convinced that it's a home-made sin. Did any of you notice that there is suddenly a school / college shooting every damned week since then? Gotta keep all them voters scared, you know? Gin up the fear!

What will they do if gun owners just say "Aw, Hell No!", and pick up their weapons in frustration? Back-pedal their asses off is what. There's no way the government would win a civil war against 140 million gun owners. That's over half of adults, and even if only 5% fought, it's still more men than the military has to throw at us, especially since so many of them would refuse those orders.
 
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ezkl2230

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There are so many lies around the Sandy Hook event it's starting to smell like a false flag operation dipped in hog-puckey and deep-fried in home-made sin. In fact, I'm convinced that it's a home-made sin. Did any of you notice that there is suddenly a school / college shooting every damned week since then? Gotta keep all them voters scared, you know? Gin up the fear!

What will they do if gun owners just say "Aw, Hell No!", and pick up their weapons in frustration? Back-pedal their asses off is what. There's no way the government would win a civil war against 140 million gun owners. That's over half of adults, and even if only 5% fought, it's still more men than the military has to throw at us, especially since so many of them would refuse those orders.

I'm the last one to subscribe to conspiracy theories. And if our government had never planned something like this before, I wouldn't even consider this possibility.

However, we're talking about the same US government that, under ANOTHER democratic administration, came up with Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was intended to create justification for an invasion of Cuba by having US military personnel dressed as Cuban military launch attacks on our base at Guantanamo Bay, sink boatloads of Cuban refugees while in-transit to the US, detonate bombs and carry out assassinations in Florida. It was ultimately rejected, but it remains that our own military planned attacks on US citizens and Cuban refugees using our own military personnel (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf).

So why is it so hard to believe that the US government, the executive branch of which is thoroughly anti-firearm for civilians, would be behind a sudden rash of attacks on US citizens in order to make people willing to consider unConstitutional restrictions on firearms and possible even embrace an expanded UN small arms treaty that might have an effect on our right to own firearms of all kinds?

Fast and Furious backfired; it was discovered and ended up angering people instead of building support for gun control. If the recent rash of attacks actually was planned by the US government and their role remains undetected, then it has successfully changed the momentum of the gun control debate in favor of the anti's. I suggest you actually read the declassified Operation Northwoods documents located at the link provided above. The extent to which our own military planners were willing to go in order to justify an invasion of Cuba is truly shocking. We have president who stated that he will use ALL of the tools at his disposal; I would expect no less in an effort to remove firearms from American society. Obviously, the people committing these crimes are not military, as would have been the case if Operation Northwoods had been allowed to proceed, but the government has access to thousands of medical practitioners and counselors who would be willing to look the other way and fail to warn the authorities when they came across mentally unstable individuals who would be likely to pull off crimes like these.

I don't believe in coincidences. This rash of shootings the began just months before Obama was sworn in for his second term, several allegedly involving semi-auto rifles (which is something that has rarely been used to this point); it looks and smells too much like an Operation Northwoods-styled domestic operation to drive the gun control debate.

PS -- what will they do if gun owners respond the way you suggest and police and military are unwilling to enforce mass confiscations? Obama will call the UN to intervene.
 

sailor

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ezkl2230 - "PS -- what will they do if gun owners respond the way you suggest and police and military are unwilling to enforce mass confiscations? Obama will call the UN to intervene."
Below is a short excerpt from "The Anniversary of Wounded Knee - 2012, 122 years later":
December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began AFTER the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. When the final round had flown, of the 297 dead or dying, two thirds (200) were women and children.
Around 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, over half cut down by friendly fire from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry were deemed “National Heros” and awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of cowardice.

We do not hear of Wounded Knee today. It is not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little does exist about Wounded Knee is normally the sanitized “Official Government Explanation” or the historically and factually inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre on the movie screen.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Starting with the historical government heavy handedness listed above - this is NOT the only incident, by far, of military, police & national guard troops willingly firing on civilian men, women and children. History has a brutal story to tell. We The People desperately need to get the federal government back into the Tenth Amendment "cage" the Founders designed for it.
 

kerb

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ezkl2230 - "PS -- what will they do if gun owners respond the way you suggest and police and military are unwilling to enforce mass confiscations? Obama will call the UN to intervene."
Below is a short excerpt from "The Anniversary of Wounded Knee - 2012, 122 years later":
December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began AFTER the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. When the final round had flown, of the 297 dead or dying, two thirds (200) were women and children.
Around 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, over half cut down by friendly fire from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry were deemed “National Heros” and awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of cowardice.

We do not hear of Wounded Knee today. It is not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little does exist about Wounded Knee is normally the sanitized “Official Government Explanation” or the historically and factually inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre on the movie screen.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Starting with the historical government heavy handedness listed above - this is NOT the only incident, by far, of military, police & national guard troops willingly firing on civilian men, women and children. History has a brutal story to tell. We The People desperately need to get the federal government back into the Tenth Amendment "cage" the Founders designed for it.

Waco is a more recent example.
Those people weren't bothering anyone. They just wanted to be left alone.
 

Warrior1256

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Nothing new. We have been getting nothing but half truths and streight out lies from the anti-gun media and government for a long time now.
 

Gallstones

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I think it prudent to not quite trust government as a matter of course regardless of the political party they get voted in on.
 

sailor

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I don't know what to believe in the Sandy Hook fiasco, but I just now ran across this NBC video gem:

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It states plainly in the runup to the video, that the medical examiner that stated all the victims were slain with a .223 (supposidly the AR-15 Bushmaster) were not.
NOW, he is saying none were shot with that weapon - 4 handguns, and handguns ONLY were recovered inside the school. That comment is repeated in the live video. Why so long to confirm a very simple fact?
The facts are so garbled to date, that the story is still "floating" - not defined.
Everyone contradicts each other.
If this NBC comment and video are factual, verifiable - then we need to have Senator Diane Feinstein removed from office for cause - trashing her sworn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution - come to think of it, that is necessary in any case.
 

rev. dave

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You have to understand a few things about 'conspiracy theories'. First, it's a term made up by the CIA to disparage people who questioned the Warren Commission Report on the JFK murder. Goggle CIA Document 1035_960.

Second, it's only a 'theory' until it can be proven, but (third) the definition of a conspiracy is that it's hard to prove because the actors all 'conspired' to hide their tracks and to stonewall any investigations. And if they're all wealthy and or politically powerful, that's easy-peasy stuff.

It's not like any of these things were unplanned. And in all of these events there are official stories that don't match the events we watch on TV, there are eye witnesses testimonies disregarded in the official story, there are questions that never get answered and there is frequently forensic evidence that never gets to the light of day - which is kept 'secret' for some reason. In the case of Sandy Hook there was a State Police order the same day for journalists to stop interviewing people in the town - and police guards assigned to everyone involved so that nobody could get to them. There is aerial footage (Sandy Hook Exposed on YouTube) of the firehouse with campers parked in the back lot, and a big white topped tour bus in front of the firehouse. We all know the cops didn't take a bus to get there, and there is literally NO area open enough for that famous photo of the kids running into the fire-station to have happened. In fact, from the aerial view you can see that there no way that was AT that firehouse because of the view of the parking lot in the photo - there's no parking lot like it at the station and the one behind the station has no view without vehicles where that shot could have happened.

Those are some of the reasons I say it smells like home-made sin. Did you notice how the news media dropped the story about James Tracy and his Memory Hole blog from one day to the next? Could it be because his questions were convincing nearly everyone who read his posts that the story was funky? Maybe the government didn't want too many questions, or too many folks interested in questions? And wasn't it a convenient event for BO's anti-gun agenda? Did you notice how quickly he jumped from 'sympathy' to 'things I can do to stop guns' - in the same couple minute speech? And how is it that the Biden 'study group' had like, ONE meeting and had over 2 dozen recommendations within a week - in spite of including the NRA and some big gun industry players? Doesn't that sound like a facade / puppet study group presenting a bunch of pre-planned agenda items that had been in somebody's desk already, and just waiting for the 'right event'?

I was at Kent State at that time. I know the government will kill citizens for mere dissent. Those kids were unarmed. I know about the cover-ups and lies that get told, even after supposedly exhaustive investigation. All that long investigation does is help to reveal the witness stories that need to be buried, and the inconsistencies in the lies being told so those can be covered up. I know one guy - a friend prior to that - who ran through the dorms shouting to get everyone outside to the demonstration, then spent a week after the massacre down in the local PD station identifying the portrait photos the FBI took from rooftops. Which by the way, means the FBI was witness to the massacre and did nothing, not even produce the photos of those who fired.
 

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