*And so it begins*

Do we really need assault rifles? Could be worse, he could not let us keep any guns.

OtisM, I suggest you read a book called The Second Amendment Primer, this should give you some insight into the many reasons the Founders knew why citizens require an equal method of defense as/from the gov't.

You have fallen into "positivism", among other things.

You think you exist to serve the gov't, and not the other way around. This is a dangerous belief OtisM, for it lends itself to tyranny. The POTUS is not a king, and any person how rises to the position of POTUS who considers themselves as such are in violation of the American peoples' Natural Rights and thus must me removed. Furthermore, any person who considers the position of POTUS to be that of "king" doesn't understand their Natural Rights or the concept of Liberty.

I am going to assume that a lot of your life is consumed by electronic entertainment, so, I'll post some inspiring words from a pretty good movie called V for Vendetta. I'm sure you've seen it...?

" Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot. "

Now, while this is fictional, it speaks of some very good points. Many of which we are falling for today, and must resist.

Moving forward, what do you think "they'll" come after next? They've already gone after trans fats, sugary soda, more taxes, emissions, guns, ammo, free speech, assembly, religion, petition, privacy, your sex life, property, Habeas corpus, education, sound money, automotive industry, housing market, free interprise, right to travel freely, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......

How long before they get to something you really care about? B/c if you let "them", they'll get to it... and by then, there will be nobody left standing next to you to help you defend it.

Please, others who feel like typing more than me, please list all the intrusions the gov't has perpetrated upon us.

OtisM, I hope you wise up my friend... I really do.
 
Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. If there is no law against it, then you are good to go. If there are laws against buying assault rifles then follow the law. That is a law abiding citizen. We elect leaders to establish law and govern.

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

We elect leaders to uphold the Constitution of the United States and protect our Natural Rights!
 
Where does it stop. Should I be able to buy a tank?

Where does your ignorance stop?
Does your ignorance know no bounds??

If you are a 'Law Abiding Citizen' in this country, then you should be able to buy and own 'whatever' you can afford.

If you are a murdering criminal scumbag, then 'To the Hanging Tree with You!"

Troll.

Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. If there is no law against it, then you are good to go. If there are laws against buying assault rifles then follow the law. That is a law abiding citizen. We elect leaders to establish law and govern.

The troll is strong in this one :rolleyes:
 
Do we really need assault rifles? Could be worse, he could not let us keep any guns.

OtisM, I suggest you read a book called The Second Amendment Primer, this should give you some insight into the many reasons the Founders knew why citzens require an equal method of defense as/from the gov't.

You have fallen into "positivism", among other things.

You think you exist to serve the gov't, and not the other way around. This is a dangerous belief OtisM, for it lends itself to tyranny. The POTUS is not a king, and any person how rises to the position of POTUS who considers themselves as such are in violation of the American peoples' Natural Rights and thus must me removed. Furthermore, any person who considers the position of POTUS to be that of "king" doesn't understand their Natural Rights or the concept of Liberty.

I am going to assume that a lot of your life is consumed by electronic entertainment, so, I'll post some inspiring words from a pretty good movie called V for Vendetta. I'm sure you've seen it...?

" Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot. "

Now, while this is fictional, it speaks of some very good points. Many of which we are falling for today, and must resist.

Moving forward, what do you think "they'll" come after next? They've already gone after trans fats, sugary soda, more taxes, emissions, guns, ammo, free speech, assembly, religion, petition, privacy, your sex life, property, Habeas corpus, education, sound money, automotive industry, housing market, free interprise, right to travel freely, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......

How long before they get to something you really care about? B/c if you let "them", they'll get to it... and by then, there will be nobody left standing next to you to help you defend it.

Please, others who feel like typing more than me, please list all the intrusions the gov't has perpetrated upon us.

OtisM, I hope you wise up my friend... I really do.

Nice! First well thought out rebuttal I've seen on this forum. Good stuff. Now we are acting like adults. Argue like this to the masses and maybe someone more conservative will win!
 
I've often wondered how anyone figures that additional laws prohibiting something will help when the existing laws prohibiting it are being ignored. I remember several years back that someone backing from a parking space in a small town in Kansas was hit by someone going about 70 miles per hour in the 20mph business zone. The action to prevent the same thing from happening again was to reduce the speed limit to 10mph. Didn't stop accidents, didn't slow anyone down, but the town fathers felt that they had done something. Additional laws prohibiting guns will accomplish exactly the same thing - make some folks feel that they have done something.
 
"I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller;..."


Someone on his staff should tell him there are already laws and procedures that cover this "problem"
 
I'm fine with anyone marrying anyone or anything. It doesnt hurt me. A tank however could run over my foot. Who cares if two married woman run over my foot.
I wouldn't care if they ran over your head. Actually, it might do less damage...
 
Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. If there is no law against it, then you are good to go. If there are laws against buying assault rifles then follow the law. That is a law abiding citizen. We elect leaders to establish law and govern.
We??? You got a mouse in your pocket? *I* didn't (help) elect our current "leader."
 
Do we really need assault rifles? Could be worse, he could not let us keep any guns.

First of all there were no "assault rifles" involved in this shooting. Secondly, yes of course we need assault rifles and we need to get rid of all the idiot hoops that are required to buy one today (in the states where you can buy them). If it's a Constitutional right, it is not legitimate to charge a tax for it or require a license.

If the moron would attempt to "not let us keep any guns", I expect he would learn why the Founding Fathers put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights in the first place.
 
Do we really need assault rifles? Could be worse, he could not let us keep any guns.
Wow! Why not just give up? I mean... if we don't piss off Obama and his disgusting ilk (turds one and all) by having the balls to actually exercise our rights maybe Obama will "allow" us to think we used to have things called "rights".

Now... if you are being sarcastic may I suggest using a simple..

/sarcasm

to let folks know? After all ... no one I ever met could read minds to know that you "meant" instead of what your words "said" whether in real life or online.
 
Do we really need assault rifles? Could be worse, he could not let us keep any guns.

Yes we really need those big bad scary assault rifles. I sincerely hope you are being facetious and if not why are you on a gun forum. If Maobama said to turn in your guns would you do it and why? I don't know if you really understand the magnitude of the meaning behind the second amendment.
 
Its just amazing that those in power never realized over the last 80 years, that gun control laws did nothing to curb gun violence, I keep looking at NYC, some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and people get shot there every day, Chicago is about the same,lots of gun laws but still a lot of GSW patients show up at the Hospital ER every night, I guess there attackers did not see the Gun Free Zone sign
 
Its just amazing that those in power never realized over the last 80 years, that gun control laws did nothing to curb gun violence, I keep looking at NYC, some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and people get shot there every day, Chicago is about the same,lots of gun laws but still a lot of GSW patients show up at the Hospital ER every night, I guess there attackers did not see the Gun Free Zone sign

they realize it all right they just don't want to admit it to the public
 
I'm fine with anyone marrying anyone or anything. It doesnt hurt me. A tank however could run over my foot. Who cares if two married woman run over my foot.

So, that's your story and you're stickin' to it, huh?
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Well no matter what I think or other think, I am sure there will be something done. And it won't really do a thing of making anyone safer.

It's all about control, not making anyone safer. They don't give a rat's ass about whether we live or die. We are just revenue to them.
 

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