Ammo

[Deserteagle]

Saw the cheapest .223 remington ammo I've seen in a long time, for 50 cents a round. I know many people here would have jumped on that and bought as much as the website would sell, but I looked at it and said no thanks. If gun owners will simply stop buying over-priced ammo, the prices will come down. Places like Cheaperthandirt are price gouging the crap out of us gun owners. Websites like that are still raising prices. I just saw some .223 for $2.00 a round now. I thought $1.00/round for ammo worth $0.25/round was bad enough....

Stop buying ammo and these businesses will start to wonder why they aren't making money, and then they will have to lower prices or go out of business. Keep buying over-priced ammo and you support this awful situation we are in.

 

[GB-Boater]

Should create a list of the gougers. When this is back to normal, don't buy from them.

 

[bswartz15]

I contacted a dealer I have done business in the past with today. I asked if he had 22LR in stock. He replied no. I checked GunBroker and he has a bulk pack listed for $110 and says he has more in stock. Needless to say I am no longer doing business with him.

 

[Gruvmann]

And then there's CDNN selling stripped lowers for over $1k... terrible.

 

[DJMixtrix]

Went to a pretty good sized Gun Show this past weekend. Saw one vendor with 1,000rd cases of PMC .223, probably 15 to 20 of them. He wanted $900.00 a case plus tax, that was on Saturday morning when the doors opened. I had to go back on Sunday afternoon for something else, stopped by his tables just to see, he hadn't sold one single case. Others were selling them by the 20rd box, lowest I saw was $12.00 per 20.

I saw lots and lots of complete AR's and the prices looked to be coming back down a little. Some S&W MP-15s around $850.00, others still as high as $2199.00. There are some deals out there, but apparently not through their websites yet. I picked up 2 Sure Fire 60rd mags for $90.00ea and real Colt 30rd mags $100.00 for 8, still a little high, but cheaper than the $40.00 each I was finding online. .45cal ammo I picked up was a 250rd box for $104.99.

Supply and demand, as they build up a larger quantity of stock, and wind up sitting on it because it won't sell, they will lower their price. Just got to wait it out.

 

[rifleshooter474]

About five years ago I noticed the 5.56/.223 Ammo. getting harder to find and the prices going up. I picked up an AK in 7.62x39 also a 5.45x39 and found Russian Ammo. at good prices. Well now you can't find much non Corrosive 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 Ammo.

 

[beachbum17]

My local fleet farm stopped telling people when the truck was coming in afraid someone would hi jack it.
The guy said they got an unannounced shipment in of 250,000 rounds and it was gun in 4 hours.

250,000 rounds!! Also people where limited to 5 boxes per caliber or so.

 

[Koolbota]

Congress wasn’t aware of D-HS Purchases..Homeland ignores requests from Congressmen



Big Sis Ignores Congressman’s Demand For Briefing on Bullet Buys

“Congress deserves an answer” on huge ammo purchases

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 28, 2013


Janet Napolitano has ignored a letter written by New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance calling for the Department of Homeland Security chief to attend a congressional briefing and provide an explanation as to why the DHS has committed to purchasing more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the last year.

Lance, who first promised to investigate the matter during a Tea Party event on March 15, sent a letter five days later noting how there was “growing public concern surrounding the Department’s procurement of ammunition.”

“He is not asking for Napolitano to testify but to give us a congressional briefing because Congress wasn’t aware of it. It deserves an answer,” Lance spokesman Todd Mitchell told the Daily Record.

Over a week after the letter was sent, Lance’s office has still not received a response, similar to how 15 other members of Congress were stonewalled by the DHS when they demanded to know if the huge bullet purchases were an attempt by the federal agency to restrict ammunition supplies.

Instead of a formal explanation, the federal agency released a glib statement to the media claiming the amount of ammunition purchased was not abnormal, that the bullets were bought in bulk “because it’s cheaper for the agency,” and that the rounds were for training purposes only.

However, the DHS has completely failed to address the fundamental flaw in their explanation. Most of the bullets purchased are hollow point rounds which are twice as expensive as full metal jacket bullets, rendering the claim the agency is buying in bulk to save money redundant.

As former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Earlier this week, a weapons manufacturer who supplies ammunition to the federal government told the nationally syndicated Savage Nation radio show that the ammo purchases were an attempt to “control the amount of market that’s available on the commercial market at any time,” by forcing manufacturers to hold back stock.

Ammunition is in short supply across the country, with police departments being forced to barter between themselves to meet demand while gun stores across America have resorted to bullet rationing.

Earlier this week, the DHS put out a solicitation asking for 360,000 more bullets to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Last week, retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sent a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

 

[Koolbota]

Refuses to Answer Up, then places another order for 360k Rounds
DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition


Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.


The DHS has now purchased over 2 billion rounds of ammo.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

 

[Koolbota]

Report: DHS Attempting to “Control How Much Ammo is Available On the Commercial Market”
Mac Slavo
March 26th, 2013
SHTFplan.com
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Last year, when the state of Illinois attempted to follow New Jersey by making it difficult and more expensive to acquire ammunition, we warned that new government initiatives would be used to try and circumvent the Second Amendment. Rather than targeting firearms directly, lawmakers and government security officials began looking to ammunition as a sure-fire way to disarm Americans.

While it may have been hard to believe then, given the current shortages of ammunition throughout the United States, one can’t ignore the fact that the Department of Homeland Security has been actively pursuing such a strategy.

“The Department of Homeland Security’s huge ammo purchases were an attempt to dry up supplies as part of an end run around the second amendment,” writes Paul Joseph Watson of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition purchased by the Department of Homeland Security.

A US-based weapons manufacturer and defense contractor recently confirmed that this is, in fact, part of a broader gun control plan when he shared his insider knowledge with well known talk radio show host Michael Savage:

What Homeland Security is doing here is they’re issuing a contract to buy up to that amount of ammo if they want it…

It’s a way to control the amount of market that’s available on the commercial market at any time.

If they go to the ammo manufacturers and say give me 50 million rounds, give me another 30 million rounds… if they periodically do this in increments, they’re going to control how much ammo is available on the commercial market.

As part of their contract it stipulates in there that when the government calls and says give us another quantity, that everything they make has to go to the government priority one before any of it goes to the commercial market.

So, if they get nervous, all they have to do is use that contract that they have in place… and they just say ‘give us some more.’

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In the contracting world it’s called an IDIQ contract… Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity… By issuing these contracts the government gets priority. All they have to do is call up…

Video: Michael Savage interviews weapons manufacturer (via Infowars):

High demand for firearms (and thus ammunition) resulting from threats of a nationwide Congressional gun grab, coupled with tens of millions of rounds ordered every month by non-military domestic security agencies has driven prices for some types of ammunition up over 100% in just the last six months.

But it doesn’t stop there, as the government is also reportedly trying to restrict access in other ways:

In fact, the ATF and the State Department, they’re kind of jerking around with the importation of it too, so they’re making it difficult for it to come in from overseas.

Right now, all the domestic manufacturers are running at full speed. They’re running three shifts, they’re cranking it out as fast as they can.

Supply cannot keep up with demand.

For the time being, demand is making it difficult to acquire ammunition at a reasonable price, but it is still available if you’re willing to pay for it.

Should DHS and other Federal Agencies continue to pursue this strategy, however, they could very well monopolize all domestically produced ammunition.

With budgets in the hundreds of billions of dollars, the government can easily utilize taxpayer funds to continue purchasing ammunition in an effort to keep it out of the hands of the American people.

And if that doesn’t work, any domestic emergency, temporary or long-term, would give government agencies confiscatory powers over this industry altogether, as authorized by the Doomsday Executive Order recently signed by President Obama.

Perhaps it’s time ammunition manufacturers follow the lead of firearms producers and simply refuse to sell to government agencies.

 

[Deserteagle]

Saw one vendor with 1,000rd cases of PMC .223, probably 15 to 20 of them. He wanted $900.00 a case plus tax, that was on Saturday morning when the doors opened. I had to go back on Sunday afternoon for something else, stopped by his tables just to see, he hadn't sold one single case.

As long as this ^^ continues, we will be fine. It's the people who buy the over-priced ammo that are continuing this dilemma rather than making it come to an end sooner. Let the price gougers go out of business.