Ammo Confiscated in Illinois

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rifleshooter474

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I found this posted in another firearm forum. Looks like the cops in some cities are being informed of large ammo. shipments.
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I had a delivery of 3000 rounds of 5.56 ammo and cops took it. They want to talk to me about my intent. Well tomorrow I am going to air and water show while my lawyer tells the cops that intent is to save $$. I am not sure how this got flagged. I go through 2000 rounds each time i go to the range. Something weird is going on in this country!
 
agreed. get used to it. if they cannot keep the guns out of citizens hands they will just restrict the ammo. the sheeple and politicians are afraid. god help us all when the shtf.
 
My friends cousins wifes boss told another friends mom that tanks were spotted in centerville Ohio confiscating walnuts cause squirrels were using them to drop on public officials heads. Our country is doomed. Stock up on squirrels and walnuts.
 
and that is just one more reason why I left IL at the age of 18 and never looked back. What has happened to you falls under illegal search and seizure. As long as you have a current FOID card it should be none of their dang business. What city was this or what county? What police agency? Get the word out to every other gun site you can think of. It is not an issue if the only thing you give out is facts. Keep emotion out of the picture but please provide as many details as possibe!!!!
 
I want to know how a police angency was able to A.) discover what was in the OP's private mail and B.) seize it with out a warrant
 
~OtisM~ said:
My friends cousins wifes boss told another friends mom that tanks were spotted in centerville Ohio confiscating walnuts cause squirrels were using them to drop on public officials heads. Our country is doomed. Stock up on squirrels and walnuts.
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This is pretty funny...
 
~OtisM~ said:
My friends cousins wifes boss told another friends mom that tanks were spotted in centerville Ohio confiscating walnuts cause squirrels were using them to drop on public officials heads. Our country is doomed. Stock up on squirrels and walnuts.
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Would that be an expert Tank or a VS Tank? Did you guys have a Molotov In order to light the Tank?

Stay away from hitables that will result in an instant incap...
 
~OtisM~ said:
My friends cousins wifes boss told another friends mom that tanks were spotted in centerville Ohio confiscating walnuts cause squirrels were using them to drop on public officials heads. Our country is doomed. Stock up on squirrels and walnuts.
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An obvious falsehood. You have no friends.
 
Have your lawyer ask if they had/have a warrant. If it was shipped by regular USPS, and not by common carrier, my next call would be to the Postal Inspectors. The Feds take a dim view of people messing with other peoples mail. Id also sue them for over it, then use the $ I won to buy a royal *#$& load of ammo.
 
S&W645 said:
I read the post on the CFOT thread. Ammo shipper and UPS both are to blame. No adult signature for an ORM-D package? What were they thinking? Police in many areas could have figured it was a bomb and blown it up.
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I read the thread too. The OP seems a bit too aloof to me to be real. He left his three thousand rounds at the County cop-shop the day it was taken, then the following day went to an air show or something like that, and then posted today that he went out sailing on his friend's boat, saying he'll go get the ammo tomorrow or Monday. Most of his posts are one-liners that give only enough information to keep the other posters interested, but withholding any pertinent information. I find it weird to say the least. Meanwhile his post has gone viral and is on every gun forum that I've checked already, just 48 hours after his OP.

However, assuming it really happened the way he said it did, one of the last posters asked the question that if a box containing ammo was so dangerous, would the cops likewise confiscate a 5-gallon gas can left sitting full on his porch? Probably easier to cause that to ignite than for ammo to just spontaneously start going off, ya know?

Accepting the premise that the cops have any authority to confiscate the box just because it has a shipping label that is required by the government to make the shipment legal, seems a convoluted theory to me. The label makes it legal, therefore, the cops should have no interest in it. Am I missing something?

Blues
 
Blues you have missed nothing, I too am wondering as to the how and why of it all. You take anything off my property without a warrant or probable cause and you will be talking to an attorney. This thread has generated a lot of discussion on every gun forum but I have to wonder, if gun guys and gals are being baited by an anti to get some sort of over the top reaction. The OP from the corvette forum seems either unconcerned or is so fabulously wealthy that the loss of 3000 rounds does not effect his life. Most of us on the other hand would be hunting them down in the daylight with a flashlight. Not to mention that a real gun guy would be looking into why his order was not safeguarded cradle to grave by both the merchant and the shipping agent. I too find flaws with the bulk of this story and wonder why it was so carefully spoon fed to the gun community....
 
BluesStringer said:
I read the thread too. The OP seems a bit too aloof to me to be real. He left his three thousand rounds at the County cop-shop the day it was taken, then the following day went to an air show or something like that, and then posted today that he went out sailing on his friend's boat, saying he'll go get the ammo tomorrow or Monday. Most of his posts are one-liners that give only enough information to keep the other posters interested, but withholding any pertinent information. I find it weird to say the least. Meanwhile his post has gone viral and is on every gun forum that I've checked already, just 48 hours after his OP.

However, assuming it really happened the way he said it did, one of the last posters asked the question that if a box containing ammo was so dangerous, would the cops likewise confiscate a 5-gallon gas can left sitting full on his porch? Probably easier to cause that to ignite than for ammo to just spontaneously start going off, ya know?

Accepting the premise that the cops have any authority to confiscate the box just because it has a shipping label that is required by the government to make the shipment legal, seems a convoluted theory to me. The label makes it legal, therefore, the cops should have no interest in it. Am I missing something?

Blues
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I question the story too to a point. The police have gotten very bomb shy and packages that appear out of place are being routinely picked up. Ammo left sitting on a porch in the view is not a good idea as anyone could grab it.
 
Airline Travel Posting - USA Carry/Defense Carry/Florida CCW Formated

Having traveled a number of times, here's how I go at it:

  1. Review Link Removed to understand TSA policies and procedures. Have a copy with you when you reach the airport.
  2. Put the unloaded weapon(s) in a lockable hard-sided case with locks only you have the keys/combination to open. TSA locks are not allowed.
  3. Steps that will make it easier to show that the weapon is unloaded - especially when x-rayed.
    • If the weapon is a:
      • semi-automatic
        • lock the slide open
        • put a cable tie through the barrel and out the breach to show that the chamber is empty
      • revolver, flip the cylinder out
    • Do not put the magazines in this locked case with the gun(s):
      • it invites questions about them being loaded
      • if the gun case is "liberated" from the checked bag by a Criminal Entrepreneur, the lack of magazines frustrates the "Liberator", since the weapon is now initially a single shot one
  4. Check the airline(s) you are flying on:
    • To determine if the ammo
      • MUST be in boxes (plastic reload boxes work)
      • can fly in loaded magazines
    • If loaded magazines are permitted, make sure the pouches fully cover the magazine top where the cartridges are visible.
    • The round(s) from the chamber(s)/cylinder(s) must be in a box, not loose
  5. Secure and protect magazines (separately from the weapon) and ammunition boxes from possible damage.
  6. Put the lockable hard-sided case with the weapon and the ammo/magazines into a cheap, non-descript bag - with clear labeling outside and inside - for checking in.
    • If possible, develop a way to attach - in a lockable way - the hard-sided case to the piece of luggage it has been placed into.
    • The labeling should be limited to:
      • Your Name
      • Your Cell Phone - if you have one, or your home phone if you do not
      • Your personal email address - if you have one
      • NO ADDRESSES, JOB TITLES, ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD BE INDICATED
  7. Other stuff - like shampoo, mouthwash, toothpaste, etc, could be in this checked bag also.
  8. Have the rules for the airline in hand when you check this non-descript bag at the airport.
  9. Make sure you have the keys/combinations to the lockable hard-sided case with you and you alone (Per Federal Regulations 49CFR § 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals - Link Removed) at all times. You will have to open the lockable hard-side case:
    • to demonstrate to the airline that the weapon(s) are not loaded at check in (a signed form/tag indicating that will go in with the weapon(s))
    • if the TSA wants to see
  10. Have the serial number(s) and descriptions of your weapons on you, so if they "disappear" you can report the loss/theft immediately to the:
    • airline - NOTE Some airlines - Delta and US Air being 2 - now allow you to track your checked luggage on your I-Phone/Android if you are a Frequent Flier
    • FAA Regional Office
    • ATF Regional Office
Other things to consider:

  1. Check www.handgunlaw.us and/or http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html to determine:
    • If you can possess the weapon at all your stops
    • Where and how you can carry at all your stops
    • What are the deadly force rules in each state you are visiting
  2. Have a copy of the Don Young Transportation Letter on hand - http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/doj_doc_nyc_air.pdf. This covers changing modes of travel - car to plane to car - in a single journey.
    AMTRAK (http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=Page&pagename=am%2FLayout&cid=1248542758975) is similar to airlines. Key differences include:

    • You must notify departing station 24 hours before departure.
      There must be bagage handling of checked bagage at both ends of your trip.
      Ammunition must be boxed.
 
S&W645 said:
I question the story too to a point. The police have gotten very bomb shy and packages that appear out of place are being routinely picked up. Ammo left sitting on a porch in the view is not a good idea as anyone could grab it.
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That's actually another thing that makes me question the guy's story. While I have received ammo deliveries without needing a signature, I'm also always home during the day and always get a tracking number so I know when it's coming. I live in a house at the very end of a cul-de-sac and I know and trust my neighbors, but still I wouldn't leave ammo on the porch. If I wasn't going to be home when it was going to be delivered, I would require a signature, thus making the driver leave a note that tells me how and where to pick it up locally. If the OP's story is true, he's an imbecile of the first order. If it's not true, he's just a run-of-the-mill attention whore.

I feel the above describes the responsible way to handle mail-order ammo purchases. However, I don't give a damn about cops being "bomb-shy," or how bad an idea it is to not follow the above responsible procedure. Stay away from my porch and property unless there is credible suspicion of something illegal and/or imminently dangerous on it. While "not being a good idea" is absolutely true, it doesn't cross the threshold of being any of the cops' business.

Blues
 
ARV said:
Have your lawyer ask if they had/have a warrant. If it was shipped by regular USPS, and not by common carrier, my next call would be to the Postal Inspectors. The Feds take a dim view of people messing with other peoples mail. Id also sue them for over it, then use the $ I won to buy a royal *#$& load of ammo.
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Strong recommendations considering the shipment would be in violation of Federal US Postal Service regulations from the very beginning.
 
jhodge83 said:
agreed.

found the original post on a vette forum...

I bought 3,000 rounds of ammo and cops took it - Corvette Forum


and our OP posted it on another forum...

Ammo Confiscated in Illinois - 1911Forum
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I read the Vette forum postings. Just as many uninformed people in there as there is in here.

Every shipment of ordinance I have received has always had the "ORM-D" sticker on the out side. Federal law (I think it's Federal) states that all dangerous materials, chemical, biologic, HAZ-mat, including ammo must be marked on the outside of the box denoting what the hazard is inside.

Don't know where the bozo lives, but if it is a fairly urban area and a sheriff rolls past and sees a box with ORD stickers on it sitting on the door step, they may have been doing everyone a favor by picking it up and taking it until the recipient takes personal possession. Funny thing is with one exception, all of my ammo shipment required personal signature for delivery.
 
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