America is a Christian Nation


XD40scinNC

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The cause is pushed by everyone from the ACLU to progressive left groups. The entire hobby-lobby case was progressives pushing someone to act in contravention of their religious beliefs. Abortion is a democrat, liberal, progressive cause. You won't see the tea party advocating abortion. Read the hobby lobby SCOTUS decision. All your questions are answered in the opinion published by the court.
Let me remind you, you accused atheists, specifically me, for forcing you to pay for abortions.
Fine, but don't ask me to pay for your abortion. Don't shove it don my throat.
And in case you missed it, I agree with you about paying for abortions, but obviously you can't get past the fact I am an atheist, you sulk like a little kid.
No, taxpayers should not be paying for it, or the premium cuts of meat I see them buying with their EBT card in the grocery store.
But it is none of my damn business, or yours, if they choose to have an abortion, or pay for that premium cut of meat with their money.
The next time you attempted to dodge the question you posted this nonsense. So you believe Hobby Lobby motivation is due to atheism?
Obamacare and Hobby Lobby
It seems you have a choice, back that up with some facts, or your could retract that false accusation and apologize, nothing is being crammed down your throat by atheists.
 

Ringo

A WATCHMAN
8 Clear Signs of a Compromising Church

8 Clear Signs of a Compromising Church

During the days of Nazi Germany there arose a Confessing Church movement that rose against the German Church movement, which became the religious arm of the Fascist Nazi Socialist movement. Of the 18,000 pastors in Germany during that time (from 1933 to 1945), less than 5,000 were aligned with the Confessing Church. Hence, only a remnant held fast to the biblical position with about half of the churches conforming due to political and societal pressure. Unfortunately, this demonstrates that, when push comes to shove, a large percentage of pastors, churches and so-called Christians will probably bow to pressure and allow the norms of culture to become their credo for Christianity.

We see the same thing today in churches in the USA and beyond. With the accelerated pace of the attack on religious liberty today, there could develop a great divide in the church between confessing churches and compromising churches similar to what happened in Nazi Germany. This will not be a divide based on denominational affiliation but based on the degree of loyalty to biblical fidelity. It is sad but true that more and more believers will be compromising core biblical values and standards rather than be stigmatized or persecuted, and lose influence in society.

In John 12:42-43 we see that many contemporaries of Jesus believed in Him but would not confess Him because they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

The following are contrasts between the confessing church and the compromising church.

1. In the confessing church, Christ is over culture. The compromising church accommodates Christ to culture. The confessing church believes Jesus is Lord over all creation. Hence, they attempt to reflect Christ in every area of culture. The compromising church has a posture of accommodation. Hence, the Christ they believe in and preach is shaped by the culture they live in.

2. The confessing church holds fast to the Word of God in spite of opposition. The compromising church alters the Word of God because of opposition. Soon in America it is quite possible that it will be illegal to preach from certain passages of the Bible dealing with human sexuality. Because of this, many will alter their theology to fit the culture while the confessing church will preach the Word of God in spite of governmental fines, penalties, lawsuits and even serving time in jail.

3. The confessing church puts the kingdom of God above their culture and ethnicity. The compromising church puts their ethnicity before the kingdom of God. The German Church during the Nazi era put nationalism and their Aryan heritage above the Word of God. Many pastors and believers today view the Scriptures more through the lens of their ethnicity and national heritage than through a proper exegesis of Scripture.

When, and if, our nation officially makes biblical Christianity illegal, we will soon see who will be the confessors and who will be the compromisers. In many ways, practicing biblical Christianity is already illegal when it comes to believers attempting to walk out their faith in the marketplace because private Christian-owned businesses do not have the same level of protection today as do local churches.

4. The confessing church alters their methods of preaching. The compromising church alters the message they preach. While it is wise and biblical for the body of Christ to be relevant to culture regarding the preaching of the gospel, it should never put being relevant above being faithful. The compromising church puts being relevant before biblical faithfulness. Hence, they not only change the method of preaching but also the message they preach.

5. The confessing church is a remnant in the minority of church and state. The compromising church wants to be in the mainstream of both church and state. The confessing church endures long seasons of feeling like aliens and strangers in their own communities. The compromising church wants to be in the mainstream of culture more than living in the divine flow of God's favor and presence.

6. The confessing church is penalized by the state government. The compromising church is applauded by the state government. While the confessing church is hunted down and ostracized by the humanistic state, the compromising church is celebrated by the far-left radicals and used as a model of how church and state should function together.

7. The confessing church prophetically speaks truth to power. The compromising church conforms to those in power. The confessing church knows that at various seasons in their existence they will not gain a lot of converts and/or experience societal transformation. The best they can do is to maintain a prophetic witness to the cultural elites and surrounding communities. Since the compromising church enjoys the power and prestige the elites grant them, they always conform rather than confront.

8. The confessing church desires the praise of God. The compromising church desires the praise of men. Ultimately at the end of the day it boils down to this: Are we living for the praise of men or the praise of God? If things don't change in the coming days, we will be shocked at how many megachurches, mid-size churches and smaller churches compromise the word of God so they could continue to keep their doors open.

At some point we will all have to stand the ultimate test, which is whether we desire God more than we love our lives, or whether we love our pleasures, conveniences and material goods more than God. Truly, if we confess Christ before men He will confess us before His Father in heaven, but if we deny Him before men He will deny us before His Father in heaven (Matt. 10:32-33).

Joseph Mattera




MARANATHA! :victory:
 

BC1

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Let me remind you, you accused atheists, specifically me, for forcing you to pay for abortions.

And in case you missed it, I agree with you about paying for abortions, but obviously you can't get past the fact I am an atheist, you sulk like a little kid.

The next time you attempted to dodge the question you posted this nonsense. So you believe Hobby Lobby motivation is due to atheism?

It seems you have a choice, back that up with some facts, or your could retract that false accusation and apologize, nothing is being crammed down your throat by atheists.
I just don't believe good Christians have abortions. One can't both believe in God and kill the life he gives. You're right. Rather than say atheist I should say non-religious types. I see photos of legally aborted fetuses and it's quite evident this is a human being. To me personally it's murder. I don't see abortion as a form of birth control. Many of the progressives argue it's nothing more than that.
 

XD40scinNC

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I just don't believe good Christians have abortions. One can't both believe in God and kill the life he gives. You're right. Rather than say atheist I should say non-religious types. I see photos of legally aborted fetuses and it's quite evident this is a human being. To me personally it's murder. I don't see abortion as a form of birth control. Many of the progressives argue it's nothing more than that.
I haven't seen a single person here argue with you on this topic, including the atheists and generic term of non-believers, yet you still insist on painting atheists with the broad brush of being democrat, liberal and progressive when you hand was called you attempt to pin this on atheism.
 

XD40scinNC

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I just don't believe good Christians have abortions.

I don't believe "good christians" should demonstrate their bias, bigotry and hatred by judging others. After all your rule book says that you should not judge, least you be judged.
I don't believe "good christians" should attempt to force the practice of their religion into the public (such ad demand prayer at public meetings, in public schools) when your rule book tells you to go to your room and close the door when you pray.

I guess there just aren't that many "good" christians.
 

GryHounnd

Banned
I don't believe "good christians" should demonstrate their bias, bigotry and hatred by judging others. After all your rule book says that you should not judge, least you be judged.
I don't believe "good christians" should attempt to force the practice of their religion into the public (such ad demand prayer at public meetings, in public schools) when your rule book tells you to go to your room and close the door when you pray.

I guess there just aren't that many "good" christians.

A lot of "good christians" have a problem with forgiveness too. But I know for a fact that real christians do exist who do take Christ's message to heart. They are better people than I am, and they're usually the quiet ones.

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BC1

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I haven't seen a single person here argue with you on this topic, including the atheists and generic term of non-believers, yet you still insist on painting atheists with the broad brush of being democrat, liberal and progressive when you hand was called you attempt to pin this on atheism.
Yeah but XD you painted religious types as nut-jobs. Believers of fairy tales. Even thought Christians are as dangerous as muslim extremists.
 

Farmhood

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John 8:44 NKJV
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 

GryHounnd

Banned
John 8:44 NKJV
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

Matthew 7:3-5New International Version (NIV)

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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XD40scinNC

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Yeah but XD you painted religious types as nut-jobs. Believers of fairy tales. Even thought Christians are as dangerous as muslim extremists.
Some are total nut-jobs!

There is so much that christians believe in, that fairy tales is an accurate description, the poof theory, man created from a dirt clod and god spit, a boat that could hold and care for and feed, 2 of every creature on the planet, a place of eternal fire, and another of streets of gold.

Next, you used the word "christian" but when referring to muslims you added extremists to the description, but not christians. Christians are an much a threat as muslims, christian extremists are as much a threat as muslim extremists. The extremists on both sides of the table create the greatest threat. And please don't try to bring in beheading to the discussion again, it is not just one specific act or tactic that makes one more dangerous, but the over all threat to freedoms and the future of civilization.

And all religions feed into the insanity of destroying followers of a different religion for the simple reason they follow a different religion. Additionally christians are still striving to deny freedoms to others based on their religion, and no other reason than religion. How exactly does that differ from muslims and their goals to force their religious views on everyone else.

Anyone that wants to impose their religious views on anyone is a threat to society.
 

GryHounnd

Banned
Amen and don't forget it!

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

The Devil's greatest trick was not convincing man he didn't exist. It was confusing some Christians so much they couldn't tell they had come over to his side in pursuit of what they thought Christ told them to do.
 

Farmhood

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Twisting twisting twisting... even a line from Usual Suspects. Remember you will never be as great as Jesus! That's from a song.

sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 

Ringo

A WATCHMAN
We as a nation have turned our back on God. We've kicked Him out of our schools and out of the public arena. We've declared Him to be off-limits. We've given the boot to the very One who made us great and showered us with blessings. We're in the process of becoming a thoroughly secular and pagan nation. And in the process, we're courting the wrath of God.

Since 1973, we have murdered our babies in their mothers' wombs at the rate of 4,000 a day, totaling nearly 60 million, and their blood cries out for vengeance.

We consume more than one-half of all the illegal drugs produced in the world, yet we constitute only 5% of the world's population.

We spend $2.8 billion dollars per year on Internet pornography, which is more than half the world total of $4.9 billion.

Our rate of cohabiting partners has increased tenfold since 1960, totaling over 12 million unmarried partners today.

Our divorce rate is the highest of any nation in the world.

Forty percent of our children are born to unmarried women.

Our number one drug problem is alcohol, producing over 17.6 million adults who are alcoholics or who have alcohol problems.

Our nation has become a debt junkie, leading the world in both government debt and personal debt.

Blasphemy of God's name, His Word, and His Son has become commonplace in our media.

We are the moral polluter of planet earth through the distribution of our immoral, violent and blasphemous television programs and movies.

We have forsaken the nation of Israel, demanding that they surrender their heartland and divide their capital city.

We have become a nation that calls good evil and evil good. And we are paying the price:

Our schools have become arenas of deadly violence.

Our prison population is increasing exponentially, from 500,000 in 1980 to over 2.5 million today. Over 7.2 million of our people are under some form of correctional supervision.

Over 1.5 million of our women are reported victims of domestic violence each year, and it is estimated that the majority of cases are never reported.

We are currently averaging over 3 million child abuse cases each year, involving 6 million children.

We experience more than 12 million crimes every year, more than any other nation in the world.

Teen violence has increased exponentially, with youngsters killing each other over tennis shoes.

Gangs are terrorizing our cities.

Even the nicest of our neighborhoods are no longer safe, requiring us to protect our homes with security systems and weapons.

Our money is becoming increasingly worthless.

Our economy is being choked to death by a pile of debt that is beyond comprehension.

Our major corporations and labor unions are in bondage to greed.

Our society has become deeply divided, splintered among competing groups defined by racial, religious and economic factors.

Our families are being destroyed by an epidemic of divorce.

Our entertainment industry consists of vulgarians amusing barbarians.

Our universities and media outlets are controlled by radical leftists who hold God in contempt.

Our federal government has become top-heavy with bureaucrats who are insensitive to taxpayers.

Our politicians have become more concerned with power than service.

All levels of government have become increasingly oppressive, seeking to regulate every aspect of our lives.

Taxation has become confiscatory in nature.

Our legal system has been hijacked by activists who desire to impose their will on the people, regardless of what the people desire.

Our freedom of speech is being threatened by "hate crime" legislation.

Our society has become star-stuck, more interested in celebrities than people of integrity.

Our churches are caught up in an epidemic of apostasy as they set aside the Word of God in an effort to cozy up to the world and gain its approval.

We are experiencing one major natural disaster after another in unprecedented volume and ferocity.

We have become afflicted with a plague of sexual perversion, producing an army of hard core militant homosexuals.

In summary, we are a people who have become desensitized to sin, and in the process, we have forgotten how to blush.



MARANATHA! :victory:
 

Farmhood

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The idiotic list above pretty much duplicates what's been posted before. Garbage doesn't lose its stink or gain validity with repeat posting. Maybe what we need instead are reminders about the irreparable harm that religion in this country is doing to health, medicine, education, free speech, national literacy, fiscal soundness, fairness, science, research, women's rights...

That is one view and the issues you bring up are real but....

sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 

Farmhood

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We as a nation have turned our back on God. We've kicked Him out of our schools and out of the public arena. We've declared Him to be off-limits. We've given the boot to the very One who made us great and showered us with blessings. We're in the process of becoming a thoroughly secular and pagan nation. And in the process, we're courting the wrath of God.

Since 1973, we have murdered our babies in their mothers' wombs at the rate of 4,000 a day, totaling nearly 60 million, and their blood cries out for vengeance.

We consume more than one-half of all the illegal drugs produced in the world, yet we constitute only 5% of the world's population.

We spend $2.8 billion dollars per year on Internet pornography, which is more than half the world total of $4.9 billion.

Our rate of cohabiting partners has increased tenfold since 1960, totaling over 12 million unmarried partners today.

Our divorce rate is the highest of any nation in the world.

Forty percent of our children are born to unmarried women.

Our number one drug problem is alcohol, producing over 17.6 million adults who are alcoholics or who have alcohol problems.

Our nation has become a debt junkie, leading the world in both government debt and personal debt.

Blasphemy of God's name, His Word, and His Son has become commonplace in our media.

We are the moral polluter of planet earth through the distribution of our immoral, violent and blasphemous television programs and movies.

We have forsaken the nation of Israel, demanding that they surrender their heartland and divide their capital city.

We have become a nation that calls good evil and evil good. And we are paying the price:

Our schools have become arenas of deadly violence.

Our prison population is increasing exponentially, from 500,000 in 1980 to over 2.5 million today. Over 7.2 million of our people are under some form of correctional supervision.

Over 1.5 million of our women are reported victims of domestic violence each year, and it is estimated that the majority of cases are never reported.

We are currently averaging over 3 million child abuse cases each year, involving 6 million children.

We experience more than 12 million crimes every year, more than any other nation in the world.

Teen violence has increased exponentially, with youngsters killing each other over tennis shoes.

Gangs are terrorizing our cities.

Even the nicest of our neighborhoods are no longer safe, requiring us to protect our homes with security systems and weapons.

Our money is becoming increasingly worthless.

Our economy is being choked to death by a pile of debt that is beyond comprehension.

Our major corporations and labor unions are in bondage to greed.

Our society has become deeply divided, splintered among competing groups defined by racial, religious and economic factors.

Our families are being destroyed by an epidemic of divorce.

Our entertainment industry consists of vulgarians amusing barbarians.

Our universities and media outlets are controlled by radical leftists who hold God in contempt.

Our federal government has become top-heavy with bureaucrats who are insensitive to taxpayers.

Our politicians have become more concerned with power than service.

All levels of government have become increasingly oppressive, seeking to regulate every aspect of our lives.

Taxation has become confiscatory in nature.

Our legal system has been hijacked by activists who desire to impose their will on the people, regardless of what the people desire.

Our freedom of speech is being threatened by "hate crime" legislation.

Our society has become star-stuck, more interested in celebrities than people of integrity.

Our churches are caught up in an epidemic of apostasy as they set aside the Word of God in an effort to cozy up to the world and gain its approval.

We are experiencing one major natural disaster after another in unprecedented volume and ferocity.

We have become afflicted with a plague of sexual perversion, producing an army of hard core militant homosexuals.

In summary, we are a people who have become desensitized to sin, and in the process, we have forgotten how to blush.



MARANATHA! :victory:

This is true and much more damaging issues.

sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 

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