America is a Christian Nation


indyyy

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Do other religions try to convert people to believe what they believe? Of course they do, but it is about their faith that they can help those they fear are mislead by other religions or the lack thereof.

I think, like many Americans who haven't looked very far beyond their own back yard, you probably believe Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the only religions in the world. Christians and Muslims are the only two that try to convert others and believe if I don't believe what they believe I am doomed.

It is one of the things I love most about my Jewish friend - she tells me she doesn't try to convert people to her beliefs and doesn't feel they go to hell because they're not Jewish. Understanding that I might be wrong in my beliefs and you or another person might be right is the beginning of true understanding - while most believe what the people they grew up around believe (your back yard). I.E. most in the Middle east are Muslim because they grew up in the Middle East where everyone is Muslim, and most white Americans are Christian because they grew up in a country where most whites are Christian. And why do you think most Buddhists and Hindus are from India or visited India and converted - you guessed it - alot of people in India are Buddhist and Hindu, with Christianity right up there too.:lol:

You'll find it hard to believe, but Jews, Buddhists, Sikh's, Hindus, etc. don't believe everyone else has to believe what they believe in order to get 'there' wherever 'there' may be for their particular faith or religion. Maybe Christians go to heaven, Hindu's find Nirvana, the Vikings Valhalla, Muslims get their 72 virgins, Buddhists don't have to come back and suffer through life again, etc. Life is good, everyone is happy.
 

indyyy

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Riddle me this - At the point of which gun or sword are you being forced to accept Christianity? Maybe you were talking about the past..

When the Jehovah's Witnesses come banging on my door to tell me what I have to do to be saved, or the Baptists to invite me to their church so I can be saved it's almost as bad as having a gun or sword pointed at me. They don't physically point a gun at me but they tell me I will burn in a bottomless pit forever -even after I die- if I don't believe them.

Which is worse - having a gun pointed at me or burning for eternity ?

Believe it or not, when they come banging on my door to try to convert me, I don't try to shove the Buddha's teachings down their throat. I politely take their pamphlet and say thank you. They think I'm thanking them for coming to enlighten me - I'm really thanking them for finally saying good bye and moving on.

Take a few minutes to think - when was the last time a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, or Atheist came banging on your door to try to convert you? Ok... when was the last time a Jehovah's Witness did it? :nhl_checking:
 

XD40scinNC

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Riddle me this - At the point of which gun or sword are you being forced to accept Christianity?

Laws that are passed based on the nonsense of the bible. Blue laws for one, some were just turned over in SC in a ballot initiative yesterday. Fundy christian politicians are still trying to make birth control illegal in this county. School boards are still attempting, with some success, to replace science in the classroom with the nonsense of creation. Making same sex marriage illegal is based on what, oh yea, the hate and ignorance of the bible.

Fortunately the courts and common sense is turning some of this over, yet fundy loons are still trying to impose biblical nonsense into civil law.

SSM is being turned over by the courts, the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible
Inter-racial marriage ban was over turned by the courts, the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible.
Women's suffrage, the right of women to vote and hold office, again the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible.

The point of which a man with a gun is forcing anyone to accept the ignorance of christianity, when the arrest is made by a man with a gun.
 

BC1

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Laws that are passed based on the nonsense of the bible. fundy loons are still trying to impose biblical nonsense into civil law.
as in...
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Thou shalt not murder (Penal Law - homicide).
Thou shalt not steal (Penal Law - theft, fraud, embezzlement).
Thou shalt not commit adultery (Civil Law - alienation of affection).
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (Penal Law - perjury).
Thou shalt not covet... (Penal Law and Civil Law).
 

XD40scinNC

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as in...
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Thou shalt not murder (Penal Law - homicide).
Thou shalt not steal (Penal Law - theft, fraud, embezzlement).
There is nothing special or biblical about these two laws, they exist in every society and country on the planet. Otherwise every country not based on the bible, would not have such laws. These are common sense, natural human morality that have been codified into law. Oh wait, this country is not based on these biblical laws, it is based on people seeking freedom from the oppression of religion, and we also have these on the books.

Thou shalt not commit adultery (Civil Law - alienation of affection).
Ah yes, used as a reason for divorce. But wait, Divorce is mentioned several times in the Old and New Testament, as God hates divorce.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (Penal Law - perjury).
Depends who you are talking to, typically only under oath, and LEO's like to play the "obstruction" card if you lie to them, and of course lying is a tactic of law enforcement uses frequently and is condoned by the system. I won't even mention law makers, the pro's.

Thou shalt not covet... (Penal Law and Civil Law).
Thought police?, please tell me what laws make it illegal to covet? Assuming you understand what covet means. [/QUOTE]

cov·et
transitive verb

1: to wish for earnestly <covet an award>
2: to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately
 

BC1

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There is nothing special or biblical about these two laws, they exist in every society and country on the planet. Otherwise every country not based on the bible, would not have such laws. These are common sense, natural human morality that have been codified into law. Oh wait, this country is not based on these biblical laws, it is based on people seeking freedom from the oppression of religion, and we also have these on the books.

Ah yes, used as a reason for divorce. But wait, Divorce is mentioned several times in the Old and New Testament, as God hates divorce.

Depends who you are talking to, typically only under oath, and LEO's like to play the "obstruction" card if you lie to them, and of course lying is a tactic of law enforcement uses frequently and is condoned by the system. I won't even mention law makers, the pro's.

Thought police?, please tell me what laws make it illegal to covet? Assuming you understand what covet means.

XD, you really need to stop. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Laws of a decent society are rooted in religion. It's not a point you can argue. It's simply fact and hasn't been refuted by any credible source. It's widely known and widely taught. This goes back to the beginnings of civilization and historical record. Whether the religion worshipped an idol, rolled chicken bones or was borne of the middle-east, civilization rooted itself in religious beliefs. This is simply true. More useless knowledge from college but nonetheless true. This "common sense" as you call it is common sense because it's been programmed through millennium into civilization through belief. Thus it's common. It's an established anthropological and historical fact that belief rooted the laws of a decent society. We've already had this discussion.
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Alienation of affection is not divorce. It's a civil lawsuit one could file against the lover of your spouse for damages. It's in civil law not matrimonial law. Covet, as used in religious teaching is more than envy. Webster's dictionary wasn't around thousands of years ago. Covet is used to denote a desire for your neighbors possessions with intent to act on those desires. To secretly plan to take those possessions. Today that could be conspiracy and intent to commit a crime, both in the penal law.
 

Stan45

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Laws that are passed based on the nonsense of the bible. Blue laws for one, some were just turned over in SC in a ballot initiative yesterday. Fundy christian politicians are still trying to make birth control illegal in this county. School boards are still attempting, with some success, to replace science in the classroom with the nonsense of creation. Making same sex marriage illegal is based on what, oh yea, the hate and ignorance of the bible.

Fortunately the courts and common sense is turning some of this over, yet fundy loons are still trying to impose biblical nonsense into civil law.

SSM is being turned over by the courts, the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible
Inter-racial marriage ban was over turned by the courts, the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible.
Women's suffrage, the right of women to vote and hold office, again the constitution is the rule of law, not the bible.

The point of which a man with a gun is forcing anyone to accept the ignorance of christianity, when the arrest is made by a man with a gun.

Maybe California would be a better state for you to live in.
 

Debray

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Christians do have a choice other than Obamacare

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I sent this out to the group this morning.


Last night we held our Steubenville For Liberty meeting at the Holy Family Church in Steubenville so we could listen to the truth about Obamacare through the eyes of a Physician.

Dr. Jeffrey Starre M.D. and Son Luke gave us an in depth view of Obamacare and their increase in Government regulations and oversight.

They have added preventive services without copays or deductibles, added children up to 26 years old to stay on the parents plan, employers are required to provide insurance for employees but not their family, banned annual limits of beneficial reimbursements, plus cover all pre-existing conditions. All of this is going to be controlled by an Independent Advisory Board lead by Ezekiel J. Emanuel who wrote the article WHY I HOPE TO DIE AT 75.

This group offers financial incentives to Doctors and Hospitals in order to get specific invasive information back about their patients, do they smoke, drink, have firearms in their home, do they have sugar, are they on drugs, how is their heart, and their overall condition. 1% bonus if you comply 1% deduction if you don’t, annually.

They decide which health care services will be covered, such as contraceptives, sterilizations, even tho federal law bans the use of federal money for abortions reports have been made that they have been paid for by exchange insurance.

Also there is a patient survey to be filled out and if the Doctor or the hospital gets less than a 50% approval, they get a deduction in their Medicare payment.

Some things you may not be aware of:

That blood test that Trinity charges you $750.00 for Dr. Starre said he could do the same test in his office send it to a lab in Columbus, charge you $40.00 and still make a little profit.

Provisions in the law says HHS agents review end of life options available to the elderly and Doctors may soon have to educate people about their options to include Euthanasia.

If you are re-admitted to the hospital within 30 for the same problem, the hospital does not get paid.

Remember Insurance Companies are subsidized by the taxpayer.

There is so much more Dr. Starre made us aware of and the bottom line is as bad as Obamacare is, in the next two years it is going to get much worse. He also warned us that it is now so interwoven into the system, even if it is totally repealed, we may never red ourselves of this mess.

It is designed to eliminate the problem of the large ageing population as soon as possible, and at the same time keep the young and productive in society healthy.

Communism at its finest.

I have just scratched the surface of Dr. Starres information, if you get the opportunity to listen to him and his Son don’t miss it.

Dr. Starre said there are options such as Christian Health Sharing Ministries that are exempt from Obamcare.

They do demand you live a Christian lifestyle, attend Church 3 out of 4 Sundays, no smoking, limited drinking, and some offer additional coverage above Medicare.

Samaritan Ministries International 800-268-4377 Samaritan Ministries International - Samaritan Ministries International

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Christian Health Ministries 800-791-6225 Link Removed


Liberty Health Share 855-585-4237

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Take Care

Chuck
 

XD40scinNC

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XD, you really need to stop. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Laws of a decent society are rooted in religion. It's not a point you can argue. .
Uh, no...

BC1, you really need to stop. :wink: You are not entitled to twist the nonsense of your beliefs into facts. Laws of decent society are NOT rooted in religion, and it damn well is a point I can and will argue, with facts. Even the most oppressive government (NK), where even proselytizing is a capital crime, has laws making murder/theft a crime. So yes, murder/theft are against the law in every single country on the planet, and it will coincide with religious laws, not because of them.

What does come through loud and clear that religion has infected into society and laws is the bigotry toward women. Adultery laws, both within religions and overflowing into society put most of it on the women. Why? Because all the religious books and civil laws were written by men.

Covet, as used in religious teaching is more than envy. Webster's dictionary wasn't around thousands of years ago. Covet is used to denote a desire for your neighbors possessions with intent to act on those desires. To secretly plan to take those possessions. Today that could be conspiracy and intent to commit a crime, both in the penal law.

I live in the modern world, and the definition and common usage of covet in the real word can be found in any dictionary. So no, you don't pull some ancient use of a words meaning from thousand of years ago. And from a book that has been rewritten and translated many many times.
 

BC1

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Uh, no...

BC1, you really need to stop. :wink: You are not entitled to twist the nonsense of your beliefs into facts. Laws of decent society are NOT rooted in religion, and it damn well is a point I can and will argue, with facts. Even the most oppressive government (NK), where even proselytizing is a capital crime, has laws making murder/theft a crime. So yes, murder/theft are against the law in every single country on the planet, and it will coincide with religious laws, not because of them.

What does come through loud and clear that religion has infected into society and laws is the bigotry toward women. Adultery laws, both within religions and overflowing into society put most of it on the women. Why? Because all the religious books and civil laws were written by men.



I live in the modern world, and the definition and common usage of covet in the real word can be found in any dictionary. So no, you don't pull some ancient use of a words meaning from thousand of years ago. And from a book that has been rewritten and translated many many times.

XD you live in the modern "atheist" modern world. Regarding the statement that religion isn't responsible I have to leave you alone with that. I'm highly educated. I took these classes in an Ivy League university. Elective courses in religious history, religion in government, sociology, etc. My wife, a Wellesley graduate (and Ivy Leaguer) also remembers all of this from her education. The best universities in America aren't wrong. I'm not throwing away my education for your opinion. This topic is as dead as Abe Lincoln. Prehistoric man looked to the sky and believed in some creator. He wrote about in cave walls long before there were rules or laws. This is simply ridiculous. BTW, where and when did you go to school? Study sociology? World history? Religious history? Just curious.
 

XD40scinNC

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Yes, prehistoric man may have well sat in his dark and cold cave wondering if the marvelous source of light and heat would come back again to warm him and so he could see. And in the dark, fears crept into his mind, "what if it doesn't come back?" There must be something that I don't understand that controls that, and if I piss it off, it may withhold the marvelous thing.

Prehistoric man don't want to piss it off, so he chose to worship it to please it because of the fear that if unhappy it might withhold this marvelous source of light and heat.

Pure and simple, religion (worship of imaginary things that control things not understood) is born in the fear that a lack of knowledge causes. He looked at everthing he did not understand or could explain, and from that fear created gods, deities, etc., which served the purpose of easing his fear of the unknown.
 

indyyy

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He looked at everthing he did not understand or could explain, and from that fear created gods, deities, etc., which served the purpose of easing his fear of the unknown.

Well... it beats being afraid of the dark. lol - I'm joking. You guys get in such heated arguments / debates in here.
 

XD40scinNC

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Well... it beats being afraid of the dark. lol - I'm joking. You guys get in such heated arguments / debates in here.

Precisely, dark nights, no entertainment, noises of the predators of the night to listen to, and the mind is free to imagine all sorts of terrors, so it served a purpose. It's not the dark that scares us, it is the things in the dark that scare us.
 

Ringo

A WATCHMAN
We are in the days of APOSTASY.

The Scripture is clear that in the last days prior to Christ's return, there will be an age of apostasy, or rebellion, against God. When this age of apostasy has run its course on God's yardstick, the Lord will return. As dark clouds form in the sky prior to a storm, the clouds of apostasy are getting darker as we approach the seven year period of the Tribulation. America is in the preparatory stage of apostasy, and even now the world wants nothing to do with God and is getting more aggressive toward those who belong to Him. Our country for example, once a Christian nation, has kicked God out of every area of our lives, but then we have the audacity to say, "God bless America." Our hypocrisy is flabbergasting!

I well remember a time when most everyone in my little world was, at the minimum, respectful toward anything related toward God. The Bible and all it stood for received respect from even the most vile of persons. Generally speaking, people respected each other. The Ten Commandments wasn't just for those who followed God, but all accepted those standards and tried to obey them. We now live in a country I no longer recognize. I recall churches, in the not too distant past, where great preaching was heard. The Bible was actually taught from the pulpit. Pastors called for repentance and unabashedly proclaimed the name of Jesus. Children were actually taught the Bible in Sunday School and Vacation Bible School. Church members visited the lost and sick in the community, and people came to church to respectfully worship Jesus and learn of Him. By and large, this is not so today. Most want nothing to do with Jesus, the Bible or anything else associated with God. Of those who do come and sit in the pews, most just want to be entertained and have a warm fuzzy feeling when they leave, and they don't want to stay long. Society is attacking anything to do with God in every area of our lives and it shows. The world is rapidly becoming more and more anti-God and dangerous. What used to be defined as evil is now good, and what used to be defined as good is now evil. (Isaiah 5:20)

The word "shame" is no longer recognized, because few know what it is. Men and women of character are shrinking in number because we as a society have lost all conscience of morality, dignity and honor. Most in our society live strictly for themselves with little to no thought of others. We are selfish, spoiled and corrupt, and the full onslaught of apostasy has not even arrived! Most in today's society see nothing wrong with the sins they have crawled in bed with and flaunted in the face of God. "We are our own god!" they say. They are like a child who has left the nest to be on their own and has gone stark raving wild with no thought of tomorrow. The saddest part is that most in the church have failed their families, friends, and neighbors by their silence and by their compromised living. The Bible says, "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14) Most of the preachers have failed and those who are Christians but not preachers have failed. The word "preach" means to proclaim or to be a herald. Most think it is "the preacher's job" to witness, but it isn't just "the preacher's job." It is every Christians' responsibility to proclaim Jesus to those we come in contact with. Why isn't this being done on a large scale by those who claim to be Christians? It is obvious. Apostasy has crept in the back door of the church and Satan is having a ball.

This is just the beginning. When the church is removed (Rapture) and the Holy Spirit of God lifts His hand of restraint upon Satan, apostasy will have a free hand to do Satan's will. It is way past time for those of us who say we are Christians to start acting like it. The tide of evil is not going to be reversed. However, we can prevent some from joining Satan in hell by our witness. The Rapture has not yet occurred, so we still have time to try to save some. We need to be much in prayer and unashamed to stand up for our Savior and Lord.

- Grant Phillips -


Life Is Good. :victory:
 

Farmhood

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The Scripture is clear that in the last days prior to Christ's return, there will be an age of apostasy, or rebellion, against God. When this age of apostasy has run its course on God's yardstick, the Lord will return. As dark clouds form in the sky prior to a storm, the clouds of apostasy are getting darker as we approach the seven year period of the Tribulation. America is in the preparatory stage of apostasy, and even now the world wants nothing to do with God and is getting more aggressive toward those who belong to Him. Our country for example, once a Christian nation, has kicked God out of every area of our lives, but then we have the audacity to say, "God bless America." Our hypocrisy is flabbergasting!

I well remember a time when most everyone in my little world was, at the minimum, respectful toward anything related toward God. The Bible and all it stood for received respect from even the most vile of persons. Generally speaking, people respected each other. The Ten Commandments wasn't just for those who followed God, but all accepted those standards and tried to obey them. We now live in a country I no longer recognize. I recall churches, in the not too distant past, where great preaching was heard. The Bible was actually taught from the pulpit. Pastors called for repentance and unabashedly proclaimed the name of Jesus. Children were actually taught the Bible in Sunday School and Vacation Bible School. Church members visited the lost and sick in the community, and people came to church to respectfully worship Jesus and learn of Him. By and large, this is not so today. Most want nothing to do with Jesus, the Bible or anything else associated with God. Of those who do come and sit in the pews, most just want to be entertained and have a warm fuzzy feeling when they leave, and they don't want to stay long. Society is attacking anything to do with God in every area of our lives and it shows. The world is rapidly becoming more and more anti-God and dangerous. What used to be defined as evil is now good, and what used to be defined as good is now evil. (Isaiah 5:20)

The word "shame" is no longer recognized, because few know what it is. Men and women of character are shrinking in number because we as a society have lost all conscience of morality, dignity and honor. Most in our society live strictly for themselves with little to no thought of others. We are selfish, spoiled and corrupt, and the full onslaught of apostasy has not even arrived! Most in today's society see nothing wrong with the sins they have crawled in bed with and flaunted in the face of God. "We are our own god!" they say. They are like a child who has left the nest to be on their own and has gone stark raving wild with no thought of tomorrow. The saddest part is that most in the church have failed their families, friends, and neighbors by their silence and by their compromised living. The Bible says, "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14) Most of the preachers have failed and those who are Christians but not preachers have failed. The word "preach" means to proclaim or to be a herald. Most think it is "the preacher's job" to witness, but it isn't just "the preacher's job." It is every Christians' responsibility to proclaim Jesus to those we come in contact with. Why isn't this being done on a large scale by those who claim to be Christians? It is obvious. Apostasy has crept in the back door of the church and Satan is having a ball.

This is just the beginning. When the church is removed (Rapture) and the Holy Spirit of God lifts His hand of restraint upon Satan, apostasy will have a free hand to do Satan's will. It is way past time for those of us who say we are Christians to start acting like it. The tide of evil is not going to be reversed. However, we can prevent some from joining Satan in hell by our witness. The Rapture has not yet occurred, so we still have time to try to save some. We need to be much in prayer and unashamed to stand up for our Savior and Lord.

- Grant Phillips -

Life Is Good. :victory:


Heaven and earth are contrary to one another.. so they live in conflict and one can't see real life (Jesus Christ) because it doesn't know Him. Colossians 3:1 NLT Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand.


sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 

Ringo

A WATCHMAN
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Awwww did you break a window when you threw your stone?
It's clear where the hate comes from
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The only truth you presented is in the one "picture" above. I don't throw stones/rocks, I only present truth. However, the truth that I present is like a rock thrown into a pack of rabid dogs, like the pack you roam around in. And like I've said before the dog that gets hit BARKS the loudest. So here once again , as usual we have you, XD40scinNC' being hit with the rock, and the reason for your rage is because God's word is truth, and the truth terrifies you.Your only hope is that there is no afterlife, your greatest fear is that there is. The sole purpose of your pathetic existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible and insulting believers. You never pass up an opportunity to fulfill Bible prophecy as a last days scoffer, or "mocker". Being a Rabid Spawn of Satan, and in the essence of your father the devil, as is your usual, your hatred gets in the way of common sense. So again as we can see..

Originally Posted by XD40scinNC

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Originally Posted by XD40scinNC

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XD40scinNC will never go away or shut up, he will simply continue to "BARK" his rage and foolishly waste our time.


Life Is Good. :victory:
 

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