All instructor need some info please
- Thread starter mojoman
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I would practice out to 25 yrd. Become proficient at 3,5,7,15,and 25 and know what those distances look like as well not just at the range.
bob steadman
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well this is what I tell & teach
When I was a cop we did the normal range distance in the academy, but once on the street we were told and taught 6-10 ft. I've altered it to 6-15. I was in one shoot out and other LE that were in same scenario all were within that range. Just remember not to neglect your standard training. In real life situations under extreme stress you'll start losing accuracy between 15 & 25 ft,
TlWheatley
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I get within 2ft for upclose and personal....(need to watch how your backstop is made, safety first) I move away at an angle and keep shooting until I have extended my arms straight out. by then, I'm 7-8 ft.out Then step back and shoot from 15-25 ft.
mojoman
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Okay, I know what you're talking about I seen a youtube video on that very same thing.
tn handgun carry permits
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The typical gunfight happens within 7-10 ft. But practice from all distances, positions and scenarios.
joshua
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walknotinfear
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I also train from 1 yard all the way back to 25 yards. The close contact shot at 1 hard is if you have to fire from the hip. 25 yards is a long shot for any person who is not proficant with a handgun. I would not suggest any person taking a shot at that distance "on the street" in a true deadly force situation unless you know for sure no innocent people are behind the suspect (bad guy). You are surly going to miss hitting your suspect at 25 yards due to stress. My training suggests and the statistics show most deadly force situations happen between 7-15 yards.
All new shooters should start at 3 yards and work your way back to 15 yards. If you can master shooting at these distances you will be ok.
All new shooters should start at 3 yards and work your way back to 15 yards. If you can master shooting at these distances you will be ok.
dennisedc
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Mojoman,
Some very good answers already. Typically i tell people to train from 0-7 yards, and then occasionally out further just to develop some better skill sets. Anything out further than 21-30 feet is really too far to shoot in most defensive situations with a carry pistol considering you will likely be in an "urban environment" with other people around, not in an open wheat field. Adrenaline will be flowing, and even if you have trained for years to shoot at 50 yards with a 4 inch gun it MAY not be a safe shot at that distance with the possibly of missing center mass, or worse injuring or killing someone else.
If you have a distance greater than 21 feet or 7 yards, you might be able to make the distance even further and not have to shoot at all, that would be ideal since you want to stop the threat, getting away safely without using your gun is a good thing that stops the threat. You could find cover, get in your car and drive away, call the police and let them deal with the threat.
Bad guys, suspects can travel 21 feet in 1.0-1.5 seconds. That is not a lot of time, remember that distance is your friend. Once you feel comfortable practice shooting ouy to 21 feet, then practice getting off the line of attack while drawing and shooting, but do it with snap caps until you are very comfortable moving, drawing and shooting. Have someone watch you to make sure you are not making safety mistakes, it is very easy to make mistakes learning more advanced techniques. Remember, all guns are loaded, never let the muzzle cover anything you don't want to DESTROY , (this means your leg and foot here, and why i suggest someone watch you dry fire A LOT before going hot), keep your finger off the trigger until on target (once again someone watching you dry fire while moving), and be sure of your target (and what is beyond it) especially learning to shoot on the move and at different distances, you will have misses. That's OK it just lets you know that you made a mistake and where you need improvement.
Also, as mentioned by walknotinfear, once your groups are consistent and in the 3"-4" range out to 7 yards, start moving the target back all the way out to 25 yards.
Shoot safe and Happy Holidays
Dennis
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Mojoman,
Some very good answers already. Typically i tell people to train from 0-7 yards, and then occasionally out further just to develop some better skill sets. Anything out further than 21-30 feet is really too far to shoot in most defensive situations with a carry pistol considering you will likely be in an "urban environment" with other people around, not in an open wheat field. Adrenaline will be flowing, and even if you have trained for years to shoot at 50 yards with a 4 inch gun it MAY not be a safe shot at that distance with the possibly of missing center mass, or worse injuring or killing someone else.
If you have a distance greater than 21 feet or 7 yards, you might be able to make the distance even further and not have to shoot at all, that would be ideal since you want to stop the threat, getting away safely without using your gun is a good thing that stops the threat. You could find cover, get in your car and drive away, call the police and let them deal with the threat.
Bad guys, suspects can travel 21 feet in 1.0-1.5 seconds. That is not a lot of time, remember that distance is your friend. Once you feel comfortable practice shooting ouy to 21 feet, then practice getting off the line of attack while drawing and shooting, but do it with snap caps until you are very comfortable moving, drawing and shooting. Have someone watch you to make sure you are not making safety mistakes, it is very easy to make mistakes learning more advanced techniques. Remember, all guns are loaded, never let the muzzle cover anything you don't want to DESTROY , (this means your leg and foot here, and why i suggest someone watch you dry fire A LOT before going hot), keep your finger off the trigger until on target (once again someone watching you dry fire while moving), and be sure of your target (and what is beyond it) especially learning to shoot on the move and at different distances, you will have misses. That's OK it just lets you know that you made a mistake and where you need improvement.
Also, as mentioned by walknotinfear, once your groups are consistent and in the 3"-4" range out to 7 yards, start moving the target back all the way out to 25 yards.
Shoot safe and Happy Holidays
Dennis
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TallGuns
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Yup - everything the other instructors have said is spot-on.
A thought on training at varying ranges (distances)... keep in mind, your reaction and shooting speed will vary with distance and if you find yourself missing or grouping loosely up close, slow down until you tighten up your groups.
Crawl. Walk. Run.
And don't forget to have fun at the range!
...and if you have a local USPSA or IDPA competition club, look 'em up. You'll see targets from 3' all the way out to 25 yards and there's nothing like the (healthy) stress of a friendly match to build some understanding of shooting under pressure.
A thought on training at varying ranges (distances)... keep in mind, your reaction and shooting speed will vary with distance and if you find yourself missing or grouping loosely up close, slow down until you tighten up your groups.
Crawl. Walk. Run.
And don't forget to have fun at the range!
...and if you have a local USPSA or IDPA competition club, look 'em up. You'll see targets from 3' all the way out to 25 yards and there's nothing like the (healthy) stress of a friendly match to build some understanding of shooting under pressure.
NRA-NSTRCTR
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Great comments on distance I would also add lateral movement once you get comfortable with the suggested ranges. (most indoor ranges are not set up for this). If you are in a real life sitution you will want to be seeking cover while making yourself a moving target for the bad guy.
Are You Prepared
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While there are a lot of great comments and some good advice in all the other responses, I need to interject a few points.
1) While practicing your marksmanship out to 25 yards is always an advantage to add to your shooting skillset, it is not a good idea to get in the mindset of shooting an attacker at that range, UNLESS they are pointing a gun at you, even at that, it's a pretty likely that they wouldn't hit you at that distance. If you ever had to shoot an attacker at that distance, you'd have a very hard time convincing a jury that your life was in imminent danger at that range.
2) Your main practice range for a Close Range Gunfight encounter should be 0 - 10 feet. At 10' and under you are in imminent danger and well within your right to protect yourself, if faced with an armed assailant.
Personally, I would concentrate on becoming proficient at a range of 0 - 25 feet. Anything beyond that range is a bonus. And believe this, when you're under stress/duress, being able to shoot from 0 - 25 feet can be harder than shooting and hitting a target at 25 yards.
And ALWAYS remember: Learn to FIGHT OFF THE X!
1) While practicing your marksmanship out to 25 yards is always an advantage to add to your shooting skillset, it is not a good idea to get in the mindset of shooting an attacker at that range, UNLESS they are pointing a gun at you, even at that, it's a pretty likely that they wouldn't hit you at that distance. If you ever had to shoot an attacker at that distance, you'd have a very hard time convincing a jury that your life was in imminent danger at that range.
2) Your main practice range for a Close Range Gunfight encounter should be 0 - 10 feet. At 10' and under you are in imminent danger and well within your right to protect yourself, if faced with an armed assailant.
Personally, I would concentrate on becoming proficient at a range of 0 - 25 feet. Anything beyond that range is a bonus. And believe this, when you're under stress/duress, being able to shoot from 0 - 25 feet can be harder than shooting and hitting a target at 25 yards.
And ALWAYS remember: Learn to FIGHT OFF THE X!
tn handgun carry permits
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I concur anything past 15 yards is a true liability. you should be looking for cover or concealment at the least. moving and shooting is very important. and to paraphrase Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch, in a gun fight even a great shooter is mediocre at best!! train smart train hard and train often!!!
Up close practice, from the holster to the target is known as speed rock. When you clear the holster you can almost touch the target. This would be your first shot and then continue backwards and shoot at the same time untill your target is down. On the way back the weapon will come up untill you have it locked out in front of you. Any cover that you can find should be used while in this process. Reload if needed, when you are done reload anyway.
Bill
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Please give an analysis. This was what reallly happen about 3 wks back.
Maybe I should start a new thread for this. But I would like instructors opinions of what I did wrong if anything,in a recent incounter. This was the first time I had a situation like this. My reactions were all based on what seemed to me were the only reasonable things I could to not provoke a gun fight.
My son and I had just finished breakfast in a reasturant in OKC. The evening shift changed for the day shift and the Manager had just left after filling the cash register. I paid my bill from the Table and was waiting as my son got up and went to the restroom down the hall behind me. I am to the left of the cash register about 6 ft away. I lean athletic woman crossed in front of the resturant taking long strides with her right hand pushed hard in her light jacket pocket. She had a hard set expression on her face.she looked to the left and right as she entered the air lock. She used her left hand to open the inner door of the lock. As she came through the door the entire gun a snub nosed revolver printed as clear as if it was in the open finger in trigger guard. She straddled the counter stool to the left of the cash register. I casually slipped out of booth seat had my LCP out of the pocket holster with a full grip before I stood up but still in the pocket. Her back up came in right behind her straddled the seat to the right of the register. With his hands crossed at his waist his right hand covered by his left arm. I am now behind them and to their left. I am backing moving toward the hall way between them and where I expect my son to appear. I don't give a dam about the robbery in proggress. I practice a lot with the little LCP I am confident I can double tap them both I don't want to. But it will be one at a time. Who ever starts it and only if it comes our way. I have a spare magazine in my left hand have checked the inserted mag is seated with my little finger hooking the extension squeezing hard. My son stroalls down the hall I glance at him he stops mouths what? I gentelly shoulder him against the wall the extended door frame offering the only cover I can see. I tell him get your stuff stay to my left and behind me go directly out to the truck. I center my self behind the BG couple about seven feet back, ( I must interject here am very uncomfortable letting my son move forward to the left to pick up his coat but it is full of games and if I even hint at leaving it unwanted attention will come our way and I believe a gun fight will insue). The guy glances in my son's direction I will kill him if he pulls a gun. The woman glances in my son's direction but faces forward gun forward, she catches sight of me with a glance dressed in black head to toe both hands in pockets legs spread wide very determined expression. I am made. She knows I know she leans over and wispers in back ups ear. They both move very slowly he slides his hands out to his sides and opens them, she slides off the stool to her right hand still in pocket faces away from me takes a step to her right I move to the left keeping both centered,I move towards my son he moves behind me. She faces away hand in pocket moves to the door both his hands still visable no one down range of them. She pulls open door with left hand passes quickly through air lock turns left crosses in front of the resturant gives me one angry look strides quickly away. He stands up facing away both hands at his side with fingers open. He takes the two steps to the door keeping his back to me .I watched him go out the front, walk directly accross the parking lot across the side walk and into traffic. I went out the front and looked to my left just in time to see the woman step into a store front four down from us. I took my son to our truck. Backed out and left glanced at the store front and it said live dancers and looked closed. No one in the resturant seemed to notice. No I did not do anymore about. I am out of state with a recognized permit. I did say to my son that's why we did not go to the IHOP that had the sign no firearms allowed on these premises. That is not the first time I came close to killing people in self defence, but it was the most certain I have ever felt. Defending a loved one in the presence of two armed people with hands on guns. Shoot to stop the threat just did not seem appropriate. To my mind nothing else should have been done the participants were the only wittnesses the BG know how to play their game and know how to not get shot. As scary as it was for us I felt I wasgoing to look like the bad guy. They will assume I talked about it might have even thought I was a cop and called it. They will move across town or another area and keep working it. Atleast nobody got killled that day there.
Maybe I should start a new thread for this. But I would like instructors opinions of what I did wrong if anything,in a recent incounter. This was the first time I had a situation like this. My reactions were all based on what seemed to me were the only reasonable things I could to not provoke a gun fight.
My son and I had just finished breakfast in a reasturant in OKC. The evening shift changed for the day shift and the Manager had just left after filling the cash register. I paid my bill from the Table and was waiting as my son got up and went to the restroom down the hall behind me. I am to the left of the cash register about 6 ft away. I lean athletic woman crossed in front of the resturant taking long strides with her right hand pushed hard in her light jacket pocket. She had a hard set expression on her face.she looked to the left and right as she entered the air lock. She used her left hand to open the inner door of the lock. As she came through the door the entire gun a snub nosed revolver printed as clear as if it was in the open finger in trigger guard. She straddled the counter stool to the left of the cash register. I casually slipped out of booth seat had my LCP out of the pocket holster with a full grip before I stood up but still in the pocket. Her back up came in right behind her straddled the seat to the right of the register. With his hands crossed at his waist his right hand covered by his left arm. I am now behind them and to their left. I am backing moving toward the hall way between them and where I expect my son to appear. I don't give a dam about the robbery in proggress. I practice a lot with the little LCP I am confident I can double tap them both I don't want to. But it will be one at a time. Who ever starts it and only if it comes our way. I have a spare magazine in my left hand have checked the inserted mag is seated with my little finger hooking the extension squeezing hard. My son stroalls down the hall I glance at him he stops mouths what? I gentelly shoulder him against the wall the extended door frame offering the only cover I can see. I tell him get your stuff stay to my left and behind me go directly out to the truck. I center my self behind the BG couple about seven feet back, ( I must interject here am very uncomfortable letting my son move forward to the left to pick up his coat but it is full of games and if I even hint at leaving it unwanted attention will come our way and I believe a gun fight will insue). The guy glances in my son's direction I will kill him if he pulls a gun. The woman glances in my son's direction but faces forward gun forward, she catches sight of me with a glance dressed in black head to toe both hands in pockets legs spread wide very determined expression. I am made. She knows I know she leans over and wispers in back ups ear. They both move very slowly he slides his hands out to his sides and opens them, she slides off the stool to her right hand still in pocket faces away from me takes a step to her right I move to the left keeping both centered,I move towards my son he moves behind me. She faces away hand in pocket moves to the door both his hands still visable no one down range of them. She pulls open door with left hand passes quickly through air lock turns left crosses in front of the resturant gives me one angry look strides quickly away. He stands up facing away both hands at his side with fingers open. He takes the two steps to the door keeping his back to me .I watched him go out the front, walk directly accross the parking lot across the side walk and into traffic. I went out the front and looked to my left just in time to see the woman step into a store front four down from us. I took my son to our truck. Backed out and left glanced at the store front and it said live dancers and looked closed. No one in the resturant seemed to notice. No I did not do anymore about. I am out of state with a recognized permit. I did say to my son that's why we did not go to the IHOP that had the sign no firearms allowed on these premises. That is not the first time I came close to killing people in self defence, but it was the most certain I have ever felt. Defending a loved one in the presence of two armed people with hands on guns. Shoot to stop the threat just did not seem appropriate. To my mind nothing else should have been done the participants were the only wittnesses the BG know how to play their game and know how to not get shot. As scary as it was for us I felt I wasgoing to look like the bad guy. They will assume I talked about it might have even thought I was a cop and called it. They will move across town or another area and keep working it. Atleast nobody got killled that day there.
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