Alaska senator proposes disarming EPA agents...

[ezkl2230]

"There's a lot of people who are concerned about certain agencies that have grown in terms of responsibilities, who are armed," Sullivan said. "The Department of Education has a SWAT team. Do we really need that? We don't think we need that with regard to EPA."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6565284?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

[sdprof]

That's a start.

DoEd don't need SWAT
FDA don't need SWAT
USDA - maybe a little bit, but very little
IRS - don't need SWAT

Basically, other than FBI, Secret Service, Marshalls, pretty much no federal agency needs it's own SWAT or heavily armed police. If they have an issue, call in the actual police agencies. (Yes, I left out certain agencies. Those shouldn't even exist. You know who I'm talking about.)

 

[Gregmm6]

Personally I think any citizen has a right to be armed, regardless of their employer. The EPA or DOE having a swat team on the other hand....

 

[fuhr52]

Personally I think any citizen has a right to be armed, regardless of their employer. The EPA or DOE having a swat team on the other hand....

I agree to part of this. Any citizen should have the right to be armed as a private citizen. The EPA, FDA, USDA, Department of ED, IRS,..... as an organization should not be armed. They defiantly don't need their own swat team.

 

[Axeanda45]

I agree to part of this. Any citizen should have the right to be armed as a private citizen. The EPA, FDA, USDA, Department of ED, IRS,..... as an organization should not be armed. They defiantly don't need their own swat team.

Actually, ALL of them need totally disbanded.. The fed govt does not have the power to create or have them in the first place.

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[BC1]

The FDA? Hands up! Don't move. On the ground. Now, where did you get that hamburger meat?

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

There's nothing these alphabet agencies can accomplish with their own SWAT teams that can't be better accomplished by borrowing the SWAT team of the local police agency that will be accompanying them on their "raids". It's a given that they will have the local police, who else are they going to have take custody of anyone arrested?

 

[Gregmm6]

The FDA? Hands up! Don't move. On the ground. Now, where did you get that hamburger meat?

It's been properly stored and cooked to an internal temp of 145, I SWEAR!

 

[Stengun]

Howdy,

As I read this thread so many of the replies scream "I'm +40yo and I live with my Mom!"

I have a friend that's an inspector for the USDA and he works the Roi Grande Valley area. Numerous times while inspecting food products coming across the border from Mexico he has found stashes of drugs, weapons, money, and even people. One of his biggest finds was over $1,000,000.00 dollars in cash hidden in barrels of orange juice.

He might not need a SWAT team but before he was allowed to be armed he stated numerous times that he wished he was armed because of the money and drugs he found during his inspections.

I find it strange that on a "gun carrying for self defense" gun forum that they want other law abiding citizens to be unarmed and want Federal inspectors and investigators, some who work in either rural or high crime rate areas to be unarmed.

Paul

 

[Axeanda45]

Howdy,

As I read this thread so many of the replies scream "I'm +40yo and I live with my Mom!"

I have a friend that's an inspector for the USDA and he works the Roi Grande Valley area. Numerous times while inspecting food products coming across the border from Mexico he has found stashes of drugs, weapons, money, and even people. One of his biggest finds was over $1,000,000.00 dollars in cash hidden in barrels of orange juice.

He might not need a SWAT team but before he was allowed to be armed he stated numerous times that he wished he was armed because of the money and drugs he found during his inspections.

I find it strange that on a "gun carrying for self defense" gun forum that they want other law abiding citizens to be unarmed and want Federal inspectors and investigators, some who work in either rural or high crime rate areas to be unarmed.

Paul

You must be thinking of some other thread.... nothing posted so far in this one resembles anything like you are imagining or spouting off about....


Those "Federal inspectors and investigators" arent "Legal" according to the Constitution.... So, YES we want them disarmed, in fact we want them to no longer exist.. Not as in dead, just that the agencies they work for to be gone, forever....

 

[BC1]

You must be thinking of some other thread.... nothing posted so far in this one resembles anything like you are imagining or spouting off about....


Those "Federal inspectors and investigators" arent "Legal" according to the Constitution.... So, YES we want them disarmed, in fact we want them to no longer exist.. Not as in dead, just that the agencies they work for to be gone, forever....

Axe, He's a piece of work isn't he?

 

[aacx22]

That's a start.

DoEd don't need SWAT
FDA don't need SWAT
USDA - maybe a little bit, but very little
IRS - don't need SWAT

Basically, other than FBI, Secret Service, Marshalls, pretty much no federal agency needs it's own SWAT or heavily armed police. If they have an issue, call in the actual police agencies. (Yes, I left out certain agencies. Those shouldn't even exist. You know who I'm talking about.)

Agree with this. Any time one of these agencies that are not law enforcement need armed officers for some reason, I do not understand why they couldn't just partner up with local, state, or federal law enforcement.

 

[ezkl2230]

Agree with this. Any time one of these agencies that are not law enforcement need armed officers for some reason, I do not understand why they couldn't just partner up with local, state, or federal law enforcement.

For the same reason that police have been accorded so many unConstitutional powers by the courts - to make things easier for them. People can't seem to get it through their heads that the job of police in a Constitutional Republic isn't SUPPOSED to be easy. The rights protected in the Bill of Rights hold them to a standard that no other nation in the world can match, but over the years that has been whittled away by the courts:

• A police officer can see your license plate, you're on a public road, so you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. If he wants to run your plates - regardless of whether you have actually been doing anything illegal - he can.
• A police officer can see your license plate anyway, so what does it hurt if we give him a scanner that can process THOUSANDS of license plates?
• Police don't need probable cause that you have actually engaged in illegal activities, they only need a "reasonable suspicion" that you might have done something. If they want to perform a warrantless, random stop and frisk, they can.
• Police have the right to be safe, so they can secretly scan your home with a radar device without first obtaining a warrant or even deploy x-ray vehicles to conduct wholesale searches of vehicles as the NYPD have been doing for several years.
• Police are only human, so if they ignorantly make a mistake about the law that just happens to result in the opportunity for them to perform a search of you, your home, business, vehicle, etc., that results in a bust for something completely unrelated to the initial encounter, they haven't actually violated your Fourth Amendment rights. Turns out that, for police, ignorance of the law DOES excuse.

We could go on to dozens of other such rulings that stack the deck in favor of the police against the citizens they are supposed to protect.

The same thing holds true for your observation. All of these agencies have been given their own police/SWAT teams because it just takes so much time to coordinate things with local LEOS or other federal law enforcement agencies. They want to make it easier for these agencies to get to that asset forfeiture.

 

[Peggy Reist]

That's a start.

DoEd don't need SWAT
FDA don't need SWAT
USDA - maybe a little bit, but very little
IRS - don't need SWAT

Basically, other than FBI, Secret Service, Marshalls, pretty much no federal agency needs it's own SWAT or heavily armed police. If they have an issue, call in the actual police agencies. (Yes, I left out certain agencies. Those shouldn't even exist. You know who I'm talking about.)

NOOA is another one that is overly armed. I'm not sure why they, as a group, need arms either. There's not a whole lot you can do about the weather.

 

[sdprof]

NOOA is another one that is overly armed. I'm not sure why they, as a group, need arms either. There's not a whole lot you can do about the weather.

What, you never tried shooting a blizzard?

But, the NOOA Fisheries people probably do need a DEFENSIVE firearm from time to time. Some of those fisherman can get pretty irate.

 

[mooosie]

All of these armed govt agencies can and would be used against the people if the govt needed them to stay in power


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[Axeanda45]

All of these armed govt agencies can and would be used against the people if the govt needed them to stay in power


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They are still GREATLY outnumbered by us...... and once it does hit the fan, MANY of "them" when they see what "being one of them" brings, will strip all evidence of being one, and find a hole to hide in and deny it forevermore.....

 

[mooosie]

I agree I am not afraid of them I am just saying I think that is the reason they exist and are armed


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[ezkl2230]

What, you never tried shooting a blizzard?

But, the NOOA Fisheries people probably do need a DEFENSIVE firearm from time to time. Some of those fisherman can get pretty irate.

That's what the Coast Guard is for. Noting stopping them from coordinating with the Coasties.

 

[kelcarry]

Actually, ALL of them need totally disbanded.. The fed govt does not have the power to create or have them in the first place.

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THE best answer. Want to solve the budget problem and continuous debt? Not only are there alphabet agencies that should not be armed and should not have swat but they should not be in the first place. But remember, regardless of dem or repub--they are basically all the same. They got theirs and we can all go to hell----that's fine with them as long as we keep paying our taxes.