AIWB (Appendix Carry) Glock 19 vs Glock 17


bnag0

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Hello all! I am excited to hear your opinions and experiences on this matter.


So basically i have decided I want to start Appendix Carrying. I rather not get into the do's and don't's I have done enough research on the pros and cons and have come to my conclusion.The 17 is roughly .50" longer and .50" taller than the 19. I have lanky hands and really like the 17 in my hand quite a bit more than the 19.

I am 5'11" 175 lbs 32-34" waist (no gut in the way)... well maybe a little pouch beginning....

I have a nice carry belt and I have already purchased a clipdraw for the slide and a MIC holster (Work hand and hand) I have also purchased a PHLster Access. So I will have at least (2) different systems to try.

my average Monday through Friday is 15 min vehicle travel to and from work. I cannot carry at work -_- so it will be left in my vehicle. Another reason why i like appendix carry because its easier to pull out of my appendix when in the vehicle.
Weekends are pretty random although here in NY the winters are rather lazy. In the summer I ride my motorcycle quite a bit and do like going for longer drives in the 4Runner.

I have very little experience with Appendix Carry as I had a glock 26 i carried on the hip and sold that to replace it with a sig sauer p238 which i have tried in the appendix area with the crappy OWB holster they give you with the gun and LOVED IT although it doesn't compare to a glock 19 or 17.... (Selling the sig to get the new glock)


I am wondering if anyone here appendix carry's a Glock 17 or similar size gun? Will I really notice the difference? Any Info you can give would be great!
 

RonM0710

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Get dress like you will when CCW. Go to your LGS and ask if you can see each one. Then ensure they are empty, find one of their appendex holsters (or go Mexican carry). Try the G17 first and then the G19. See how they conceal under your attire. Then try setting down in each. The longer barrel might pinch your personal equipment. I like my G19.
 

bnag0

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Ron,
I am closest to Bass Pro and they don't even let you hold a pistol without a license I didnt even bother to ask them to let me drop it in my pants lol. I will take a trip to a smaller store and see what they say.
Thanks!
 

N R A

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Your intent, is a complex one. Lots of issues in play, in your post. Holsters, car gun safes, training, etc. Welcome to the forum.
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bnag0

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So I was able to visit a more open minded shop after work today. I tried the 26 19 and 17 AIWB the 26 was obviously the most comfortable. The 17 and 19 was noticeable but honestly more comfortable than I was expecting and they felt very similar. Being winter time I have an undershirt and flannel. I usually wear medium shirts in the summer but I may need to bump up to a large in order to make it work. I think I am going to wait until my own AIWB arrives and go back and make a decision in a T-Shirt . My only concern at this point is the grip printing.
 

Kennydale

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I use the 3Speed Holster. I use it as an Appendix Carry. I have used on for my Ruger SR40C for a year and half (also fits my Sig P239) Link RemovedLink Removed

I have another for my G19 (which will also hold the G26, but i prefer to carry the G19)
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bnag0

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Kenny that's one hell of a holster to stick in there. I'm assuming you've tried a few different ones? What are some little quirks you have when concealing AIWB?

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Kennydale

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It's thinner then what it looks like. It's not a quirk the reason I wear it's a necessity. I have mobility issues and maybe can draw from 3:00 (on a good day) 4:00 will not happen. Appendix is basically it or nothing. The 3Speed also affords me a belt less carry even in gym shorts. Nothing with quirks just adapting.
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bnag0

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Great information! By quirks I meant like do you find yourself adjusting in certain situations? Sitting, standing, picking something up. Or have you just gotten use to it and you don't really adjust... Would you continue to carry appendix if you did not have mobility issues?

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Stengun

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Howdy,

The main issue I see or have with AIWB carry is having to wear your pants like Steve Urkele.

I'm not a fan of IWB carry and would NEVER recommend AIWB.

With your pants at normal ride height how can you possible sit while carrying AIWB especially with normal size male parts?

Just curious.

Paul
 

bowserb

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I have done appendix carry of a G19. It was inconvenient driving, but otherwise it was fine. The subcompacts like G26, 27, etc., have too short a grip for me to control. I now carry a Sig P227 (a full size .45) in a Cooks IWB at 4 o'clock. Just be sure your gun is secure when you leave it in your car, as it WILL be broken into. Thieves seem to sense cars with guns in them. I know three people who have had guns stolen from their cars/trucks. Not me . I will not leave a gun in a car.


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bnag0

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Liking the feedback!

Stengun,
I said i wasnt going to get into it but i like to spread what i have learned! :D
I am a 32-34 inch waist when i carry at 4 o clock like i have been for the past 2 years with 2 different guns its failry comfortable but I am not a big guy and don't wear big clothes so it wasn't easy especially in the summer for me to carry this way. I also had to wear my belt really tight because it would pull my pant's down and that was just something i hated (Keeping the belt tight). When you carry 1 or 2 o clock (well for we anyway) my pants don't sag and it is important to leave them a little loose for when you sit down you can pull them up a tad to make sitting more comfortable. From what i have read and watch if you have the right holster (that allows the gun to ride high enough) and a good belt (that doesn't allow the gun to flop over) you can carry a fairly large gun AIWB sitting down and it is fairly comfortable. I think anyone who hasn't given it a second thought should really look into it!

Here is one of the great videos that covers the topic well.
The only thing i do not like about Corey is how he re holsters... he needs to slow down and watch. No ones ever won a gun fight with a fast re holster.
I also think i would remove the pistol when getting into the car and put into a holster i rig up in the car.


These are my personal pros and cons....

Pros:
More comfortable
Easier to conceal (less printing)
I can fit a larger gun AIWB
I believe it would be a faster draw
easier to defend the firearm

Cons:
If you have an accident and hit your femoral artery.... you will on average pass out in 30 seconds and bleed out in 3 minutes if the blood flow is not restricted. (I understand that this is enough to deter most)


In response to this....
The #1 way this will happen is on the re-holster. If you are putting the gun away and something snags that trigger..... If you carry a pistol with a grip safety then maybe you could feel a little better about it. or any safety that is engaged before you re-holster

Basic Tips:
You should never use a leather or nylon holster when you carry appendix unless you remove the holster and holster the pistol before putting it back in your pants. (Use a hard kydex holster)
always remove the holster before putting in your pants if it still freaks you out.
Never put your finger on the trigger until your sights are on the target. or the muzzle is clear away from your body.
Lean back when re holstering
don't re-holster in a manor where the femoral is covered by the barrel.
 

bnag0

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Bowserb,
The neighborhood where i work is not residential nor is it a bad neighborhood but i agree at least lock it in your glove box.
 

Kennydale

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Put my rig on in Morning. Go through my day. Take it off at night. whether sitting watching TV or Driving nothing changes. I can reach and draw right now as i type no different than when standing up ?
 

r1derbike

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Liking the feedback!

Stengun,
I said i wasnt going to get into it but i like to spread what i have learned! :D
I am a 32-34 inch waist when i carry at 4 o clock like i have been for the past 2 years with 2 different guns its failry comfortable but I am not a big guy and don't wear big clothes so it wasn't easy especially in the summer for me to carry this way. I also had to wear my belt really tight because it would pull my pant's down and that was just something i hated (Keeping the belt tight). When you carry 1 or 2 o clock (well for we anyway) my pants don't sag and it is important to leave them a little loose for when you sit down you can pull them up a tad to make sitting more comfortable. From what i have read and watch if you have the right holster (that allows the gun to ride high enough) and a good belt (that doesn't allow the gun to flop over) you can carry a fairly large gun AIWB sitting down and it is fairly comfortable. I think anyone who hasn't given it a second thought should really look into it!

Here is one of the great videos that covers the topic well.
The only thing i do not like about Corey is how he re holsters... he needs to slow down and watch. No ones ever won a gun fight with a fast re holster.
I also think i would remove the pistol when getting into the car and put into a holster i rig up in the car.


These are my personal pros and cons....

Pros:
More comfortable
Easier to conceal (less printing)
I can fit a larger gun AIWB
I believe it would be a faster draw
easier to defend the firearm

Cons:
If you have an accident and hit your femoral artery.... you will on average pass out in 30 seconds and bleed out in 3 minutes if the blood flow is not restricted. (I understand that this is enough to deter most)


In response to this....
The #1 way this will happen is on the re-holster. If you are putting the gun away and something snags that trigger..... If you carry a pistol with a grip safety then maybe you could feel a little better about it. or any safety that is engaged before you re-holster

Basic Tips:
You should never use a leather or nylon holster when you carry appendix unless you remove the holster and holster the pistol before putting it back in your pants. (Use a hard kydex holster)
always remove the holster before putting in your pants if it still freaks you out.
Never put your finger on the trigger until your sights are on the target. or the muzzle is clear away from your body.
Lean back when re holstering
don't re-holster in a manor where the femoral is covered by the barrel.
Corey might be a great instructor, but his background doesn't add-up on multiple fronts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCygO4JQCTg

Having gotten the above out of the way...I unholster when I sit down in the car, putting my sidearm in its provided paddle holster, which is on the driver side map holder. I'm left handed, it's a right-handed holster, so it is instantly accessible to me on that side. I cover it with a black knit cap, which matches the interior door color. It is literally hiding in plain sight. I reholster before I exit the car. YMMV
 

bowserb

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Appendix carry of Glock. As I mentioned, I carried a G19 but I stopped after about three years, due to excessive nervousness about an AD, since Glock has no active safety, and seeing one too many videos of LEOs shooting themselves in the leg when reholstering. Ouch. (Yes, I know about "safe action" and the eleventy-five safeties that Glock claims, but the one it doesn't have is the one to protect from accidental pulling of the trigger by a snagged fabric thread or shard of broken kydex.) I later carried a Springfield Armory XD-9 Subcompact with a grip safety. Finally I moved to 4 oclock carry. I still don't like the lack of a safety on Glock. My next striker will probably be a Smith & Wesson M&P with the available thumb safety.
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If I had to leave a gun in my car, I think the glovebox would be insufficient security for me to be comfortable. After all, a stolen gun isn't like a stolen CD player or laptop computer. When a gun is stolen, that is one more firearm in the hands of a criminal. I don't want to think about my gun being used to kill a kid in a drive-by shooting. Or to kill a guy working at a convenience store. If I had to leave a gun in my car, I'd have to at least look at something like the Console Vault, for both security and convenience. I've heard it discussed on the radio (Tom Gresham). Here's the website: Console Vault | Buy Direct For Lowest Price + Free Shipping. They're not cheap, and they're not available for all cars. Seems like mostly SUVs and pickups, but I just noticed a couple passenger cars (Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion) listed. You could always use one of those cable lock things, but you might be a little conspicuous in the parking lot every morning and night fiddling with it.
 

Stengun

New member
Howdy r1derbike,

Corey might be a great instructor, but his background doesn't add-up on multiple fronts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCygO4JQCTg

Having gotten the above out of the way...I unholster when I sit down in the car, putting my sidearm in its provided paddle holster, which is on the driver side map holder. I'm left handed, it's a right-handed holster, so it is instantly accessible to me on that side. I cover it with a black knit cap, which matches the interior door color. It is literally hiding in plain sight. I reholster before I exit the car. YMMV

That's a lot of steps to take just to AIWB carry.

I carry OWB @ 3:00. On a "normal" Saturday while shopping and eating lunch with my Wife I will strap on my Glock 23 and by the time I have returned home I will have driven about 65 to 70 miles round trip, entered and exited my Dodge Ram at lest 10Xs and NEVER once have to touch my pistol.

Also with your method you have to expose your handgun every time I get into or out of your vehicle which defeats the purpose of conceal carry and in certain areas, like Pulaski Co could lead to a "brandishing a weapon" charge since the PA, Larry Jegley, is very anti-gun.

Another issue with car carry, which is what you are doing, is that you stop at the Gas-N-Rob to get gas and you areat the pumps and your gun is 10' away inside your vehicle when you get robbed and carjacked.

Or you go inside for soda pop or a 6-pack and someone breaks into your car and steals you gun.

On Saturday we drove to Gold Strike Casino ( I'm a Liberal so it's ok if I drink and gamble ) and drove home on Sunday. It was roughly 206 miles each way and even with numerous stops both going and returning home, I carried my Taurus PT 845 .45 OWB @ 3:00 during the entire road trip. I never once had to shift it around, unholster and reholster, get poked by it, etc. and you can NOT say the same thing about AIWB with a compact or full size handgun and the PT 845 is a full size pistol.

As of this month I've been carrying a handgun for 33 years and even though I've tried IWB and AIWB it's just not for myself.

Someone posted the "Pros" and "Cons" of IWB and AIWB and personally I just do NOT see where it has any "Pros".

Paul
 

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