Air Force dumps ‘so help me God’ from enlistment oath

They dropped it because they found out it referred to the wrong "God." They have to re-write it or suffer the eternal flames of hell, but they are having trouble figuring out which of the 10,000+ gods is the right one.
 
God, the Creator and owner of all things is always capitalized.
These other 10,000 things you can use a lower case g.
 
God, the Creator and owner of all things is always capitalized.
These other 10,000 things you can use a lower case g.

That's exactly what 9,999 other people claim. And each and everyone is praying that you will see the light of the one true "God" before your soul passes into eternal damnation.
 
It didn't get dropped. It became optional. Christians can still say it, but now Buddhists don't have to. Doesn't that make more sense?
 
There is one thing that could be done to end this atheist insanity.
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Define "God" under fed law as "any higher power, including nature, any null entity, deity, religion or lack thereof, or otherwise, believed by any individual to have created earth and all creatures including mankind." My GOD what will you do. You don't believe nature created you? Then you're a Buddhist. They believe no entity created mankind. And Buddhism is a religion.
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My two questions remain sidestepped by the atheists:
1. Can you prove you love your kids? If not you have no argument on the existence of God.
2. If I deny you employment because you're an atheist would you be low enough to invoke religious protections under the civil rights act?
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I once booted an atheist for espousing his views in the workplace. He had ZERO recourse. Employment at will baby!
 
True "Unity" can only be found in one place-- In the service of the ONE true GOD.

That's what made this country the greatest nation the world has ever known. It is a known "military" FACT that one of the most effective ways to defeat any army, nation or people's is to send spies & infiltrators into their midst and sew dissension and discourse; because if a "divide" can be established a victory can be won. ("A house divided against itself cannot stand." is a REAL truism straight out of scripture.)

Our country's enemies and the enemy of God know that statement is indeed "True".

That is also why treason is a capitol offense!

It is the reason that radical Islam is trying to kill everyone that doesn't side with them. It is also why in scripture we see that God often told Israel to destroy ALL of the enemy including their families and possessions.

It is also why our socialist/progressive members government, LIBTARDS and atheist inject themselves into all things Christian and/or Conservative. They think they are fooling people by pretending to be the voice of reason & tolerance. But, they always reveal themselves as the snakes & traitors they are if given enough time.

But, the TRUTH is- The ONE TRUE GOD will always get the last Word; no matter how much deception, dissension & division ALL of our enemies (Islamic terror, atheism or socialism) try to destroy us with. In the end of ALL things- we that serve the Great "I AM" will stand with HIM beside the Lake of Fire, the Great Abyss and watch all of our enemies destroyed forever.

You see- "treason" against the ONE true God is something that will bring with it a capitol punishment that will never be fully carried out. Those that commit such crimes against God and the people of God will beg for the relief of death. But, the only thing they will ever find is the suffering of death.

They will beg for water to quench their thirst and cool the burning of their flesh.
They will beg to die so they can get relief from the demons clawing at their body.​

But, probably the worst thing of all is-

They will live for all eternity in their suffering knowing that they too could be resting & rejoicing in the bosom of Abraham. They will KNOW they could be laughing, loving & celebrating with all those that shared the love of God with them and warned them during the time they were given to choose whom they would serve for all of eternity.

They will also remember this day and other days when people reached out to them once again in love to warn them. They will know that this day was another chance given to them by the One True loving, caring & gracious Savior to choose "LIFE" over death.

They will also remember the mocking and rejection they used as they responded to those who were willing to share God's love and warm them once again.

They will remember with every scream & every groan and they will cry out for relief & forgiveness. But, it will be too late then.

The will know how loving & caring God was and they will understand that they are the ones that condemned themselves by refusing to listen.​



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My two questions remain sidestepped by the atheists:
1. Can you prove you love your kids? If not you have no argument on the existence of God.
2. If I deny you employment because you're an atheist would you be low enough to invoke religious protections under the civil rights act?
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I once booted an atheist for espousing his views in the workplace. He had ZERO recourse. Employment at will baby!

1. Yes, we as humans can both define "love" and set standards of behavior for it to shown to exist. It is so easy even a child could do it. On the other hand, no one has any evidence of the existence of supernatural beings, whether it be your particular imaginary god or someone else's trio of gods. the lack of such evidence dies not give the claim credibility. It does just the opposite - it makes the incredible claim incredible.

2. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit discrimination based on both belief and non-belief. Do you think a Roman Catholic could discriminate against a person because that person did not believe the Pope was infallible? Lutherans, Jews, Muslims, and Atheists all do not believe that the Pope is infallible. It matters not what they do believe. If you discriminate based on what they do not believe then it is a violation of Title VII. From the US EEOC website: "Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against ... because they profess no religious beliefs."

People who believe in only one god are 99.999% just like people who don't believe in any god. The latter just don't believe in one more god than the former.
 
1. Yes, we as humans can both define "love" and set standards of behavior for it to shown to exist. It is so easy even a child could do it. On the other hand, no one has any evidence of the existence of supernatural beings, whether it be your particular imaginary god or someone else's trio of gods. the lack of such evidence dies not give the claim credibility. It does just the opposite - it makes the incredible claim incredible.

2. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit discrimination based on both belief and non-belief. Do you think a Roman Catholic could discriminate against a person because that person did not believe the Pope was infallible? Lutherans, Jews, Muslims, and Atheists all do not believe that the Pope is infallible. It matters not what they do believe. If you discriminate based on what they do not believe then it is a violation of Title VII. From the US EEOC website: "Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against ... because they profess no religious beliefs."

People who believe in only one god are 99.999% just like people who don't believe in any god. The latter just don't believe in one more god than the former.
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1. You can't prove the emotion of love. There is no scientific expression or mathematical formula. Even a PET scan can't disclose love. The same areas of the brain that light-up in this emotion also light-up when a pedophile sees a child or when a child sees a puppy. Society can set a standard but it's anecdotal... lacks scientific proof. They can prove they take care of their kids, feed them, protect them, etc. But they can't prove the emotion exists or doesn't.
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2. I didn't fire this guy for being an atheist. I fired him because he refused to SHUT-UP. Also fired a gay because he wouldn't shut-up. Walking around my office constantly talking to other workers about atheism and homosexuality. When he came to work for me he read and signed an employment agreement. In fact he had an attorney review it first. In that agreement he knew and understood... no discussions on politics... no discussions on religion... no disclosure of salary. The clients sites where I sent him to work are not to be messed with. I don't care what he believes but he is not free to discuss these things in my work place or at a client site. It upsets others. It hurts productivity. It affects my bottom line. It causes my clients to take business elsewhere. I got that call from a client... and then he got his record of employment, severance pay, outstanding vacation pay and a kick out the door. Purely a violation of his employment agreement.
 
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1. You can't prove the emotion of love. There is no scientific expression or mathematical formula. Even a PET scan can't disclose love. The same areas of the brain that light-up in this emotion also light-up when a pedophile sees a child or when a child sees a puppy. Society can set a standard but it's anecdotal... lacks scientific proof. They can prove they take care of their kids, feed them, protect them, etc. But they can't prove the emotion exists or doesn't.
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2. I didn't fire this guy for being an atheist. I fired him because he refused to SHUT-UP. Also fired a gay because he wouldn't shut-up. Walking around my office constantly talking to other workers about atheism and homosexuality. When he came to work for me he read and signed an employment agreement. In fact he had an attorney review it first. In that agreement he knew and understood... no discussions on politics... no discussions on religion... no disclosure of salary. The clients sites where I sent him to work are not to be messed with. I don't care what he believes but he is not free to discuss these things in my work place or at a client site. It upsets others. It hurts productivity. It affects my bottom line. It causes my clients to take business elsewhere. I got that call from a client... and then he got his record of employment, severance pay, outstanding vacation pay and a kick out the door. Purely a violation of his employment agreement.

Just so we get it "straight", would you fire a Christian employee if he won't "shut up" talking about your god?
 
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1. You can't prove the emotion of love. There is no scientific expression or mathematical formula. Even a PET scan can't disclose love. The same areas of the brain that light-up in this emotion also light-up when a pedophile sees a child or when a child sees a puppy. Society can set a standard but it's anecdotal... lacks scientific proof. They can prove they take care of their kids, feed them, protect them, etc. But they can't prove the emotion exists or doesn't.
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2. I didn't fire this guy for being an atheist. I fired him because he refused to SHUT-UP. Also fired a gay because he wouldn't shut-up. Walking around my office constantly talking to other workers about atheism and homosexuality. When he came to work for me he read and signed an employment agreement. In fact he had an attorney review it first. In that agreement he knew and understood... no discussions on politics... no discussions on religion... no disclosure of salary. The clients sites where I sent him to work are not to be messed with. I don't care what he believes but he is not free to discuss these things in my work place or at a client site. It upsets others. It hurts productivity. It affects my bottom line. It causes my clients to take business elsewhere. I got that call from a client... and then he got his record of employment, severance pay, outstanding vacation pay and a kick out the door. Purely a violation of his employment agreement.

The emotion of "love" is not defined as a formula. It is defined as a combination of behavior and physical response. It is an arbitrary standard set by society in general and then each individual. We created it and we define it and we can then measure it by the definition we give it. But whatever definition one gives to the emotion of "love" it can be measured and observed. You can't see the wind but you can observe its effects and can harness its power.

Is your "god" just a concept like "love"? When the AF referred to "god" did they mean the generic concept rather than a specific real life supernatural being?

You said you fired the atheists for espousing his beliefs, back when you thought the laws against discrimination based on religion only applied to people who believed in a religion. Then when you learned that the ant-discrimination laws apply equally to a belief or non-belief, you changed the story to one of firing the guy for espousing all the time, rather than the content of what he espoused.

We weren't fooled.
 
Just so we get it "straight", would you fire a Christian employee if he won't "shut up" talking about your god?
ABSOLUTELY.
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That employee signs an employee agreement that says no discussions on religion or politics in the work place (or at the dinner table at home). Violate my agreement and your gone. That provision exists for a reason... you know why? RESPECT FOR ATHEIST CLIENTS! RESPECT FOR HINDU CLIENTS! RESPECT FOR MUSLIM CLIENTS! RESPECT FOR BUDDHIST CLIENTS! RESPECT FOR CHRISTIAN CLIENTS! RESPECT FOR DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, INDEPENDENTS, etc. Understand? You have any idea how many Chinese, Japanese, Pakistani and Indian software engineers there are in this country? In NYC alone? My employees will not work a contract at a client site and upset ANYONE at that site.
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You don't own a high profile business do you? If you did you would never have asked that question.
 
Wow-another pat, triumphant encounter with non-christian stereotypes. Was this before, or after, you humiliated the shopping line atheist who took offense when you "god-blessed" him after he sneezed?
Actually it was 2003. That all you got? Still waiting for proof you love your kids. Apparently you don't.
 
BTW - i agree that the workplace should not be a place for people to discuss their sexual preferences or their religious beliefs or non-beliefs. And there are some atheists who can be as preachy as theists, and some homosexuals who don't know the meaning of discretion. But I have to wonder based on BC1's depictions whether it was the content of what they said rather than that they said it that bothered him.

So come clean BC! - do you discriminate against Atheists, Muslims, and Amosites when it comes to hiring and firing? How about a person's sexual preference? Is that a factor in your hiring and firing decisions?
 
BTW - i agree that the workplace should not be a place for people to discuss their sexual preferences or their religious beliefs or non-beliefs. And there are some atheists who can be as preachy as theists, and some homosexuals who don't know the meaning of discretion. But I have to wonder based on BC1's depictions whether it was the content of what they said rather than that they said it that bothered him.

So come clean BC! - do you discriminate against Atheists, Muslims, and Amosites when it comes to hiring and firing? How about a person's sexual preference? Is that a factor in your hiring and firing decisions?
My best friend growing-up was always a little light in the shoes. It was evident from when we were kids he was different. But he was the best person I've ever known. Self-actualized as a child... he had more compassions and love for this world than anyone I ever knew. He took a lot of crap but I was likely to come afterward and even things-up. After college he got married and had three sons. Then, one day he made the announcement. I wasn't shocked. He asked me "was it evident when we were kids?" I told him "yeah. Remember the time you came bopping into the classroom singing 'I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts?'" We had a good laugh. He brought "Ian" to my home for dinner quite frequently. About 5 years ago he developed esophageal cancer. He had multiple surgeries and was doing pretty well. Then last year he died. This is the person who I respected most in this world. He was my friend. To me he wasn't gay, he was just Gino. I think of him quite often. I ask why he had to die when so many bad people live, breathe and prosper. Life is definitely not fair.
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Then there's my nephew. We raised him and his sister after their parents abandoned them in their early/mid teens. Put them through college. He was gay as long as I can remember. His own dad didn't want anything to do with him. And funny... he just got a new job nd I already warned him. I told him the workplace is nowhere to keep reminding people you're gay. Keep your personal life out of the company because people WILL discriminate.
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Now you ask about my hiring practices? A spot-look at my looooong history of posts shows I'm a capitalist. I'm all about business and money. And while I'm educated as an engineer (Masters - Comp Science, Undergrad - mathematics), I'm a businessman first. I hired the very best. Candidates required a graduate degree. They had to be top-notch and polished. I'm interested in money, not where they worship r what color their skin is. That success paid-off. I retired from working my company in my forties and sold-out about a year ago to fully retire at 55.
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While I may hold personal opinions on social issues it would be absurd to think I could be successful in a world of foreign software engineers if such prejudices took priority over $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Crazy to even ask such a question.
 
They dropped it because they found out it referred to the wrong "God." They have to re-write it or suffer the eternal flames of hell, but they are having trouble figuring out which of the 10,000+ gods is the right one.

None of them :wink:

85 - 90% of the people are 99.9999% atheist, the rest of us are 100% atheist.
 
Back to the beginning of this thread: "So help me God" was not in the oath for President as prescribed by the founders. Washington added if of his own accord, and following Presidents continued the tradition. Just saying...
 

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