Advice

[Fergy]

I am quite new to this site but not new to CCW so allow me to say hello to everyone in USA Carry land. I would like some advice from other members on what you would do. So here goes..... My uncle is the owner operator of a pharmacy and has been robbed twice, once he was tied up while the local law enforcement was across the street getting gas and the second time was after hours when he was not there. So after many years I finally convinced him to get his CCW here in Ohio. Well several of his friends and employees are now saying they would like to get their permit as well. My concern is that several of the people who want to get their permit are people I do not feel should be carrying weapon around at this time. They various issues from emotional to family problems etc. Nothing criminal. I hate to sound like I am judging but we all know those people we would not want to carry regardless of how close we are to them. So my uncle would be perfectly responsible carrying, but what do I say to him about the other people around him who want to get licensed, mind you I know all these other people quite well. As I said before some of these people are his employees but frankly speaking, my uncle is ball less when it comes to dealing with the women who work for him. He says the same old thing, "its hard to find good help, I cant fire them." So is there anything that can be said or done? What does a law abiding citizen do if you know someone is going to start carrying a gun but should not? I thank you for your help, I apologize if this post is too long or complex and if someone else already posted the same thing.

Ferg

 

[ToddR]

IMHO it's not for you or your uncle to decide who obtains a carry permit, it's your sheriffs decision to make. Your uncle CAN decide who carries while working at his pharmacy.

 

[John Theriot]

Right he can tell them they can not carry in his store, because as owner he can carry in his store.

 

[kerb]

I am quite new to this site but not new to CCW so allow me to say hello to everyone in USA Carry land. I would like some advice from other members on what you would do. So here goes..... My uncle is the owner operator of a pharmacy and has been robbed twice, once he was tied up while the local law enforcement was across the street getting gas and the second time was after hours when he was not there. So after many years I finally convinced him to get his CCW here in Ohio. Well several of his friends and employees are now saying they would like to get their permit as well. My concern is that several of the people who want to get their permit are people I do not feel should be carrying weapon around at this time. They various issues from emotional to family problems etc. Nothing criminal. I hate to sound like I am judging but we all know those people we would not want to carry regardless of how close we are to them. So my uncle would be perfectly responsible carrying, but what do I say to him about the other people around him who want to get licensed, mind you I know all these other people quite well. As I said before some of these people are his employees but frankly speaking, my uncle is ball less when it comes to dealing with the women who work for him. He says the same old thing, "its hard to find good help, I cant fire them." So is there anything that can be said or done? What does a law abiding citizen do if you know someone is going to start carrying a gun but should not? I thank you for your help, I apologize if this post is too long or complex and if someone else already posted the same thing.

Ferg

Sounds like you are anti-2a to me. You think it should be ok to carry, but only for those you've given the "thumbs up".
What's your problem with these women who work for your uncle?

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[Fergy]

Totally not true. I am not anti second. As I said, I am new to this site. Allow me to give some biographical info if it helps. I am former US Army, 3rd Infantry Division. I worked over 4 years in the Ohio Dept. of Rehabilitation and Corrections before moving on to healthcare. So maybe I am some what leary of the pople who carry weapons around me. The fact that they are women have nothing to do with it. One of the women, her boy friend committed suicide right in front of her not 3 months ago and shes addicted to alcohol, and the other woman hates her husband who happens to be a polic officer. So its not that I am against people carrying weapons at all. The point is, if you knew someone shouldnt be carrying a weapon and something did happen, you cant say you wouldnt feel some regret if you know you had an ounce of knowledge that could have possibly prevented it. Does them having a CCW prevent them from killing themselves or their husbands? Not at all. I feel its a gray area.

 

[DFuller]

Totally not true. I am not anti second. As I said, I am new to this site. Allow me to give some biographical info if it helps. I am former US Army, 3rd Infantry Division. I worked over 4 years in the Ohio Dept. of Rehabilitation and Corrections before moving on to healthcare. So maybe I am some what leary of the pople who carry weapons around me. The fact that they are women have nothing to do with it. One of the women, her boy friend committed suicide right in front of her not 3 months ago and shes addicted to alcohol, and the other woman hates her husband who happens to be a polic officer. So its not that I am against people carrying weapons at all. The point is, if you knew someone shouldnt be carrying a weapon and something did happen, you cant say you wouldnt feel some regret if you know you had an ounce of knowledge that could have possibly prevented it. Does them having a CCW prevent them from killing themselves or their husbands? Not at all. I feel its a gray area.

You seem quite judgmental to me about issues in their personal life that are none of your business.

If I understand correctly your Uncle got his CCW and told his employees about it...that was a mistake. He should have gotten his permit and kept his mouth shut around people he deems untrustworthy.

As others have already stated it is none of his (or your) business if someone legally obtained a CCW and I would suggest you mind your own business. Again I know it has been pointed out that if your Uncle wants to make rules against carrying in his Pharmacy that is his right.


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We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the law breaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is responsible for his actions....Ronald Reagan

 

[SR40c]

So... let me get this straight, it's ok to let these people handle scheduled narcotics but not a firearm? :blink:

 

[Totidem Verbis]

I second ToddR (no pun intended). To me the 2nd has been proven over and over again that it means what it said "...the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed." The intent is genuine by keeping weapons out of those who APPEAR to be prone to this or that, but where does it stop. If that decision is given to the Sheriff and that PERSON, doesn't do their job then they are voted out. Tragedy in all form do occur, but we must resist being and welcoming the nanny state mentality or the Constitution will be replaced. The Sheriff is local to the county you live in, Feinstein and alike are likely several times removed. Who do you want to make that decision?

 

[snatale42]

Well several of his friends and employees are now saying they would like to get their permit as well. My concern is that several of the people who want to get their permit are people I do not feel should be carrying weapon around at this time. Ferg

Who are you to make that call? It's up to your state to determine whether they should carry or not, not you OR your uncle. While he may have the power to tell people not to carry at work, that's about it! So you convince your uncle to get his permit to protect himself, but you would seek to deny others the same right? What makes your Uncle's life worth more than theirs? Criminal's will walk into the store with their guns regardless, you would THINK you would want to outnumber them. If I worked for your Uncle, and worked their knowing the place is prone to being robbed, and was told I couldn't protect myself he'd get the finger and he could find another employee. If there's one thing worse than an Anti......It's a gun owning Anti!

 

[Danmc]

My concern is that several of the people who want to get their permit are people I do not feel should be carrying weapon around at this time.

Right now there are people in Washington, D.C. who think the way you do, that people should not be carrying firearms.

 

[no sheep]

Family problems are not reason to think someone should not have a ccw . Ever heard the classic “You can’t pick your family”

 

[NavyLCDR]

My advice, Fergy....I would look into a career in politics, you seem perfectly qualified.

 

[no sheep]

My advice, Fergy....I would look into a career in politics, you seem perfectly qualified.

we do not need more liberals.

 

[Nightmare45]

I am concerned about the mental stability of our lawmakers, Senate, Congress, President etc since not one of them reads a bill before they pass it and not one of them understand the no gun zones are free fire zones, with that said who judges the mental health professionals, looks to me as if every single one of these mass shooters has been under mental healt care or was about to be when they killed, every one of them the mental healh pros missed the call. As to this issue your dads store he can make the call I will not shop there.

 

[Rhino]

I understand the concern, but you may want to look at this from some different angles. If these people are a danger to themselves or others with a gun, what your uncle does or does not do isn't going to change that. Barring any legal issues that prevent them from owning or carrying a gun, they can already do that right now. They can get a license to carry anytime they want to. If your uncle hasn't posted his pharmacy as a no carry zone and hasn't told the employees they can't carry, they may in fact be carrying already. The point is, your concern is that your uncle may be allowing an oppotunity for misfortune that isn't already there, but that isn't true. They already have those opportunities for misfortune no matter what your uncle does. Truth is, he can do nothing. If he hasn't prohibited guns in any way then he isn't standing in their way of carrying in the store. He doesn't have to make his support official. He isn't liable either way. Ohio Revised Code Section 2923.126 grants immunity to private employers for the actions of those with concealed carry licenses on their premises, whether the employer supported concealed carry or not. I understand what you're getting at, and it's a noble gesture, but the bottom line is that your uncle wouldn't really be protecting these people from themselves if he allowed them to carry in the store, and it wouldn't be his fault if they did something wrong.

 

[tricolordad]

Lol dang nosheep

You want an honest opinion fergy? Shut up and MYOFB. Like you don't have marital problems...we all do. Having said that...hooah brother!

 

[NavyLCDR]

Maybe I shouldn't have a CPL. If my ex-wife were to suffer a tragic accident, I would save $45,500.00 in alimony alone. How's that for marital problems!

 

[Rhino]

You guys are really tough on newbies. Usually the term 'red carpet' doesn't mean soaked in blood. LOL! Give the poor guy a break.
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And Fergy, you might want to try this site as well:
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Ohioans For Concealed Carry Discussion Forums

 

[kerb]

Totally not true. I am not anti second. As I said, I am new to this site. Allow me to give some biographical info if it helps. I am former US Army, 3rd Infantry Division. I worked over 4 years in the Ohio Dept. of Rehabilitation and Corrections before moving on to healthcare. So maybe I am some what leary of the pople who carry weapons around me. The fact that they are women have nothing to do with it. One of the women, her boy friend committed suicide right in front of her not 3 months ago and shes addicted to alcohol, and the other woman hates her husband who happens to be a polic officer. So its not that I am against people carrying weapons at all. The point is, if you knew someone shouldnt be carrying a weapon and something did happen, you cant say you wouldnt feel some regret if you know you had an ounce of knowledge that could have possibly prevented it. Does them having a CCW prevent them from killing themselves or their husbands? Not at all. I feel its a gray area.

My bad, I must have missed the part of the 2a where you only have the right to bear arms if you love your husband.
And if you disarmed everyone who drinks on a regular basis, the ranks of the military would be thin indeed.

Neither of the things you mentioned are hardly the warning signs of an imminent criminal rampage.
Why are you so anxious to deny others their rights?

 

[ToddR]

Fergy, you got hit pretty hard. I understand your concern, but stand by what MOST of the responses were.

Pay close attention to comments from Rhino and NavyLCDR. They tend to offer very good (if not great) advice.