I am an expediter and drive my Sprinter van all over the US, 90% eastern US. Anyway, just wondering what y'all's thoughts are? I have a lock box permanently mounted in the very back of the van that serves as my "trunk". In a state that I don't have rcp with, I lock mag/ammo in the glovebox and my pistol in the "trunk". What do y'all think?
advice on traveling and cc
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In Ohio, if your license is not recognized, your magazines would have to be unloaded as well to be legal.
Even in states that your permit is recognized in, to carry a loaded gun within 1000' of a school is still against Federal law, unless you have a permit ISSUED by the same state the school is located in.
In 48 or 49 of all states, your gun in the locked box is 100% legal. In the remaining 2 or 3 states, if you are just travelling through the state, Federal law provides that your method of transporting the handgun is legal (assuming gun unloaded, of course).
The BIGGEST thing to remember is to NOT consent to a search of the locked box under any circumstance, unless it is empty and you are entering onto a military base and subject to search as a condition of entry.
Even in states that your permit is recognized in, to carry a loaded gun within 1000' of a school is still against Federal law, unless you have a permit ISSUED by the same state the school is located in.
In 48 or 49 of all states, your gun in the locked box is 100% legal. In the remaining 2 or 3 states, if you are just travelling through the state, Federal law provides that your method of transporting the handgun is legal (assuming gun unloaded, of course).
The BIGGEST thing to remember is to NOT consent to a search of the locked box under any circumstance, unless it is empty and you are entering onto a military base and subject to search as a condition of entry.
In IL for instance, I read where passing through I am ok. But if I'm delivering there, I'm not. Would simply having a permit from another state be probable cause to search? I've been through a lot of checkpoints along the border and in CA and the k9s haven't hit on my van(it's a rental) so I assume a k9 wouldn't hit unless he was trained specifically for firearms? I would think if you refuse a search, the LEO is pretty much gonna find a reason???
Thanks for the replies! We need nationwide concealed carry. Problem solved! Well......
Thanks for the replies! We need nationwide concealed carry. Problem solved! Well......
No. The courts have ruled repeatedly that lawful actions and exercise of protected rights conducted by citizens cannot be used as reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. Under routine circumstance, LEO won't have access to your out-of-state permit status anyway.
I would think if you refuse a search, the LEO is pretty much gonna find a reason???
Thanks for the replies! We need nationwide concealed carry. Problem solved! Well......
There is a very important reason to never consent to a search. Once you consent to a search, you have no defense in court that the search was illegal. You would have to prove that you were coerced into giving consent. Any search that is voluntarily consented to is a legal search. And then it is up to you to defend yourself from charges arising from anything found during the search. If you refuse to consent to the search, than the first thing that must be proven in court by the prosecutors is that the search was in fact legal. By consenting to a search you give up a valuable defense you have in court that has set free many, many, many defendants regardless of if the defendants actually committed a crime or not. The first thing any criminal defense lawyer is going to challenge is the lawfullness of the detention by the police officer and the lawfullness of any subsequent searches.
Providence Ranch
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"But officer, I posted the question on a web forum! What do you mean I'm being arrested?"
You can add Mass and NY to that list as well. Get a Utah non res license and start applying for non res licenses in other states that you need as well.
Three statementa a cop hates to hear. #1 Am I free to go? #2 I do not consent to this search. #3 I dont want to talk to you and wish to remain silent. Never ever consent to a search and say it several times that way there is absolutely no question. Also there is a good chance you may be being recorded. Remember if a cop didnt need permission to search why would he(she) be asking?
BIGJOHN621
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Traveling in the Northeast is tricky. Stay out of MA, NJ, NY and MD. Understand that each state has very restrictive and very different laws. In NY, possession of a magazine holding more than 10 rounds of ammo manufactured after 1994 is illegal and they often do not honor federal transport laws. NJ and MA both have ammunition restrictions against hollow points and other types as well as firearm transport and capacity restrictions. MD is a restrictive state as well. The fact is, you need to research the laws in every state you travel through for yourself. Do not rely on websites other than state statute research, my info or anyone else. Get caught with a 16 round mag of hollow points in NJ, locked up or not, and you'll have a new zip code and a new roommate for a while. Read the statutes and bring copies of them and the FOPA with you. Teaching the law politely with proper documentation may save you an uncomfortable ride and stay in a police hotel. Good luck.
There is no such ammo restricton in MA. Mags manufactured after 9-13-94 that hold more than 10 rounds are illegal and we have a permanent assault weapons ban but no ammo restrictions.
BIGJOHN621
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I stand corrected. Faulty info on MA ammo law. This shows the need to look up the statutes yourself. Thanks for the correction guys.
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