According to the NYT, our soldiers aren't heros.


Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
I agree somewhat with the essay. Would you call officer harliss a hero?

Soldiers, police, firefighters, anyone, has the opportunity to be heroes. I respect our soldiers a lot more than many other uniforms, but I do realize not all get the opportunity to be heroes.
 

CathyInBlue

Tool Maker
Heya... William Deroga-whatever. Com'ere. Closer. Closer. I wanna tell you something in confidence.

/me ****-punches William Deresiewicz.

There, now. That's not pleasant, is it? Hurts like hell, doesn't it? It would have been nice to have someone around who could have stepped in and stopped that from happening, wouldn't it?

Well there are about a half a billion screaming Islamofacists out there who would love nothing else than to strap on a bomb vest, come over here, and spread themselves all over your Cheerios tomorrow morning, but you won't be caring about that, because you'll be spread all over your wife's corn flakes. That would be a whole lot worse than a sucker punch to the wedding tackle, wouldn't it?

Well America's fighting men and women in uniform are the people who are out there making sure that those bad men do not get the chance to do their violence upon you. So rather than pissing and moaning about the cult of the uniform, maybe it would be better if you just said a little prayer of your own at that alter and then quietly went the f&^% away.

...

/me ****-punches William Deresiewicz one more time for good measure.
 

Iam2Taz

New member
I am glad we live in America where people do have a right to share their views. And I suppose the term "hero" may be overused in many cases. But, to me, those men and women deserve the right to be called heroes. There is no draft. They didn't have to step up, but they have and continue to do so.
My nephew and my son will always be heroes for making the decision to step up!

Other than that, if the NYT burned down tonight, I wouldn't shed a tear.
 

Grognard Gunny

New member
There are "heroes" and there are not, they come in many sizes and uniforms. I'm just thankful they are generally treated better than the Viet Vets were (for years!). Sure as hell no one ever thanked ME for my service!

On the other hand, if the "terrorist threat' ever gets minimized to a "comfort level", it will be as always:

"Oh it's 'Tommy this!'
and 'Tommy that!'
and 'Throw him out, the brute!'
But he's the Nation's hero
when the guns begin to shoot."

(R. Kipling)

GG
 

BeauRyker

New member
There are "heroes" and there are not, they come in many sizes and uniforms. I'm just thankful they are generally treated better than the Viet Vets were (for years!). Sure as hell no one ever thanked ME for my service!

On the other hand, if the "terrorist threat' ever gets minimized to a "comfort level", it will be as always:

"Oh it's 'Tommy this!'
and 'Tommy that!'
and 'Throw him out, the brute!'
But he's the Nation's hero
when the guns begin to shoot."

(R. Kipling)

GG

Thanks for your service Gunny! I mean that with all my heart.
 

Tucker's Mom

New member
And from me and my family.....thank you for your service too. We thanked those that we know of (and that includes you now...) because many of the pilot members of our flying club are also old vets. And boy! do they have stories to tell!!! I love them all. In our upcoming convention, we are going to honor the homeless vets as one of the fundraising activities I am planning to have, amongst other things. Work tirelessly, expect nothing in return.
 

localgirl

New member
There are "heroes" and there are not, they come in many sizes and uniforms. I'm just thankful they are generally treated better than the Viet Vets were (for years!). Sure as hell no one ever thanked ME for my service!

On the other hand, if the "terrorist threat' ever gets minimized to a "comfort level", it will be as always:

"Oh it's 'Tommy this!'
and 'Tommy that!'
and 'Throw him out, the brute!'
But he's the Nation's hero
when the guns begin to shoot."

Thank you, Sir, for your service, and for your continued dedication to your country, and most of all for your words of wisdom.
(R. Kipling)

GG

Thank you, Sir, for your service, and for your continued dedication to your country, and most of all for your words of wisdom.
 

Iam2Taz

New member
Thanks Gunny! - If you haven't been told lately, we appreciate your and ALL the vets service!
If I ever meet you in person, I would gladly shake your hand and buy you a beverage!
 

Mosbyranger

New member
First off- thanks for your service Gunny. I was in high school when Siagon fell. My best friend is a Vietnam vet. Has 2 purple hearts and a Distinguished Service Medal and some shrapnel in his leg to show for it. Is he a hero? Damn straight. ANYONE who goes into the service and therefore into harms way is a hero. The NYT has morphed into a worthless rag not worth the newsprint it comes out on. I'll bet they think that our community organizer in chief is a hero. What the elites think and what the people know are two totally different animals. If I had a copy of the NYT in the house now, I'd use it as toilet paper.
MR
 
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fudo

New member
Heya... William Deroga-whatever. Com'ere. Closer. Closer. I wanna tell you something in confidence.

/me ****-punches William Deresiewicz.

There, now. That's not pleasant, is it? Hurts like hell, doesn't it? It would have been nice to have someone around who could have stepped in and stopped that from happening, wouldn't it?

Well there are about a half a billion screaming Islamofacists out there who would love nothing else than to strap on a bomb vest, come over here, and spread themselves all over your Cheerios tomorrow morning, but you won't be caring about that, because you'll be spread all over your wife's corn flakes. That would be a whole lot worse than a sucker punch to the wedding tackle, wouldn't it?

Well America's fighting men and women in uniform are the people who are out there making sure that those bad men do not get the chance to do their violence upon you. So rather than pissing and moaning about the cult of the uniform, maybe it would be better if you just said a little prayer of your own at that alter and then quietly went the f&^% away.

...

/me ****-punches William Deresiewicz one more time for good measure.

Well, you can't say that NYT doesn't do their part to hire the handicapped. William Deresiewicz is as big a retard as you are likely to find. If only NY state would throw a fence around NYC and keep it as a preserve for the Galactically Stupid that escape from the lunatic asylums of Chicago, San Francisco, LA, and Washington D.C.
 

fudo

New member
There are "heroes" and there are not, they come in many sizes and uniforms. I'm just thankful they are generally treated better than the Viet Vets were (for years!). Sure as hell no one ever thanked ME for my service!

On the other hand, if the "terrorist threat' ever gets minimized to a "comfort level", it will be as always:

"Oh it's 'Tommy this!'
and 'Tommy that!'
and 'Throw him out, the brute!'
But he's the Nation's hero
when the guns begin to shoot."

(R. Kipling)

GG

Right On, brother! I'm 3rd gen Navy and 2 out of 5 brothers served in the Navy. but military service goes through all the big wars to a lineal lots of greats-grandfather who rode with "Light Horse" Harry Lee (Robert E. Lee's grandfather) in the Revolutionary war. I worked for the VA for 14 years, so I'm d*** proud of our men and women in uniform and it really torques my jaw when I hear of this kind of doggrel coming from slack wits like William Deresiewicz. I'd like to see him try on a uniform and protect this country, instead of denigrating the men and women that provide the freedom for him to "be less than he can be."

Sorry, Rant Off:angry:
 

CharlieK

New member
There are "heroes" and there are not, they come in many sizes and uniforms. I'm just thankful they are generally treated better than the Viet Vets were (for years!). Sure as hell no one ever thanked ME for my service!

On the other hand, if the "terrorist threat' ever gets minimized to a "comfort level", it will be as always:

"Oh it's 'Tommy this!'
and 'Tommy that!'
and 'Throw him out, the brute!'
But he's the Nation's hero
when the guns begin to shoot."

(R. Kipling)

GG
Thanks, Gunny. And you ARE a hero for your service, and for putting up with all of the Jane Fondas of the Country when you returned.
 

trophyhunter

New member
I dont care what anyone says, If you down an Military Uniform, you are an hero. Serving your country is an great honor, and all should be treated as such.If this country adapts this Attitude that they are not heros, then all Veterans who fought, and served did so in vain.

Our vary way of life was built on everyday Citizens wearing that uniform.It really pisses me off, that anyone would think other wise. There was a thread the other day about being an True American, and some of the responces offended me.to be an True American

Is one who fought, and served our great Nation, and ultimiately gave the greatest sacrifice their life. Those are true americans, and heros
 

Grognard Gunny

New member
WOW! Thanks for the words of encouragement and thanks for my (OUR) service. Good to know that there are many that would still put Country above self interest. (Seems to be a diminishing breed, I must, sadly, observe.)

As long as there exist those who would take such a stand in support of our troops, then the sacrifices of all those who have gone before me and have followed after will not have been in vain.

GG
 

fudo

New member
That Vietnam vet that spit in jane fonda's face several years ago at a book signing - now that guy is a hero. I would like to shake his hand and buy him a beer.
 
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cmhbob

Sig fault.
I served three years as an MP in the 80s. I wasn't a hero, and I refuse the the title. I felt a call to serve, and I did. Nothing particularly heroic about standing at a gate, watching grass grow and rabbits hump.

The payroll clerks are not on the same level as the guys in the wall or in the bush. If they were, we wouldn't have all the Ranger and MoH wannabes.

Without reading the article, I tend to agree with the premise. The word is overused and almost trivial now.
 

BruceGAtl

New member
Perhaps no word in public life of late has been more thoroughly debased by overuse. Soldiers are “heroes”; firefighters are “heroes”; police officers are “heroes” — all of them, not the special few who undoubtedly deserve the term. So unthinking has the platitude become that someone referred to national park rangers on public radio recently as “heroes” — reflexively, in passing — presumably since they wear uniforms, as well."

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/o...l?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=opinion#ixzz1W2YdqqVx

It takes a special kind of person to put on a uniform. Whether it be a fireman, police officer, soldier or even a park ranger. Many of these folks do it in the full knowledge that at some point they will be called on to risk life and limb in the service of their fellow man.

Granted that not every one of them will have that moment, but the fact that they put on the uniform every day knowing that it could happen is a testament to their courage. I've been a volunteer fireman and I can tell you that everytime the alarm sounds, you make up your mind that you will do what needs to be done - every call could be the one that ends your career or your life. To walk knowingly into that makes a person a hero in my eyes.

Sure there are some that will disgrace themselves and their fellows - show me a group anywhere in life that this isn't true - does that lessen the value of everyone else... not only NO but HELL NO !!

The NYT article is nothing short of complete disrepect for anyone that has the courage to take responsibility for themselves and the people around them !! There was a time I respected the NYT as a news source... now.. I can barely bring myself to use it to line the bottom of my cat's litter box. but that's just me..

and To Gunny and all the men and women in uniform, everywhere THANK YOU !
 
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