A Sober Reminder!!

As he installed the grip the weapon discharged and he was struck in the face.
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And even after you clear the chamber, don't point the dang thing at your face (or any other part of you).
 
I posted this recently, but we just had a local LEO with 30 yrs experience shoot himself in the leg while cleaning his Glock. We're all prone to human error, I guess. I actually think we, as CCW holders, have to hold ourselves to a higher standard than LE, since you KNOW there's gonna be an outcry from the antis if a CCW holder has an ND, while they tend to give LEO a pass (because of course, LEO is qualified to carry a weapon....)
 
JJFlash said:
I posted this recently, but we just had a local LEO with 30 yrs experience shoot himself in the leg while cleaning his Glock. We're all prone to human error, I guess. I actually think we, as CCW holders, have to hold ourselves to a higher standard than LE, since you KNOW there's gonna be an outcry from the antis if a CCW holder has an ND, while they tend to give LEO a pass (because of course, LEO is qualified to carry a weapon....)
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Exactly! We are human which is why I never rely on my memory when it comes to firearms. I check, and then check again!! You can never be too careful and you can never let your guard down, not even a little when handling firearms. Complacency will get you killed or change your life forever.
 
Reports like this one always make me wonder if they are covering up a suicide.
Officer Kevin Wilkins was accidentally shot and killed as he attempted to install a rubber grip on his service pistol.

He had removed the magazine from his service pistol but neglected to remove the round from the chamber. As he installed the grip the weapon discharged and he was struck in the face.

Nearby officers transported immediately called for assistance and provided aid, but Officer Wilkins succumbed to the wound approximately 15 minutes later.

Officer Wilkins had served with the Atlantic City Police Department for two years. He is survived by his father, three siblings, and fiancee.
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I'm always amazed how poorly trained a lot of LEO's are and how bad a shot many of them are at the range. My wife's Beretta has a magazine safety - take the mag out of the firearm and it won't fire. I know a lot of people don't like that but this seems to be the most common way that people (especially kids playing with guns) are accidentally killed with guns these days. For some reason they think they can drop the mag, point the gun and pull the trigger (or accidentally do so) and it won't fire. So, what are the pros and cons of this type of safety? Some firearms have the chamber loaded indicator but kids (untrained by their irresponsible parents) are not going to know what that is.
 
I would never presume to tell anyone here how to be safe with a firearm, but I will tell you what I do . . . in my life, no firearm is ever handled as if it's unloaded, even if I just unloaded the thing myself! I treat it like a poisonous snake, and handle it accordingly. To those few whom I've helped into the enjoyment of firearms, I've explained it this way:

Imagine there's a laser beam coming out of the end of your gun that goes on forever. If that beam happens to touch anyone else, the beam cuts right through them. You must always be aware of where that beam is pointed and never allow it to cross in front of anyone, even if you're holding a revolver with the cylinder out and your fingers through the frame as if you were about to load it! Even if the magazine of an automatic is in your hand and the slide is back! For me, this is an inviolable rule.

And if I find myself in the company of someone whom I feel is less than safe, I avoid their company in the future.
 
NDS said:
Reports like this one always make me wonder if they are covering up a suicide.
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I always wonder the same thing with stories like this. I have read several stories like this on the O.D.M.P. and i scratch my head each time. Hard to say....I do know however that I have installed several of those rubber sleeves over the years and i never once needed to put my finger in the trigger guard or point the gun at my face.

Either way it still very much sucks for the family.
 
On duty officer gets shot, its not worth lying on official reports/documents to cover up a public homicide, too many people involve to officially lie/alter reports, then again anything possible, i just doubt it.
 
Says he left behind a fiance. I wouldn't think suicide would be on the mind of a 31 year old who is engaged to be married... but that's just me... If he were going through an ugly divorce maybe...
 
This may seem a bit odd, but we handle our weapons like this;

1. End of shooting string weapon is unloaded and double checked (me and a un-loading table person).
2. Weapon is either holstered or place in the gun cart.
3. Weapon is returned to vehicle for transportation. Checked again before putting in vehicel.
4. At home from vehicle to gun safe, checked again when removing from vehicle.
5. Placed in safe, checked again.
6. Removed from safe to go to range, checked again.
7. Arrive at range, weapons checked and actions opened.
8. Shoot weapons and start over with # 1 above.

I know it sounds like a lot of checking, but both my wife and I handle all the guns and it's out stead fast rule that no matter what, the gun is checked EVERY TIME we touch it. This is even if I check it and hand it to her. SHE CHECKS IT AGAIN.

Works for us. We often fire 1,000 + rounds a month and need to really keep on top of safety.
 
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET


Number one is of utmost importance. My guns are always loaded. I know that and my wife knows that. At least the ones we keep ready for self defence.
 
AvidshooterTX said:
I'm always amazed how poorly trained a lot of LEO's are and how bad a shot many of them are at the range. My wife's Beretta has a magazine safety - take the mag out of the firearm and it won't fire. I know a lot of people don't like that but this seems to be the most common way that people (especially kids playing with guns) are accidentally killed with guns these days. For some reason they think they can drop the mag, point the gun and pull the trigger (or accidentally do so) and it won't fire. So, what are the pros and cons of this type of safety? Some firearms have the chamber loaded indicator but kids (untrained by their irresponsible parents) are not going to know what that is.
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I detest European features such as Magazine Safeties and Mag releases on the rear of the frame. I tolerate it with my MKII ruger.

IMHO, I believe that magazine safties have no place on a gun. When not on my body or within my control, my firearms are locked in a safe. A magazine safety may give added security that a child cannot fire a chambered round if the magazine is removed. So what? If someone is so careless to leave a firearm in a place where a child may find it, and also leave a round in the chamber, who is to say that this same person will be responsible to remove or hide the magazine?
To rely on any safety to override common sense is futile.

I feel that a magazine safety is a reliability. It leaves a charged gun with a round in the chamber useless between magazine changes during a firefight.
 
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