"A sad, sad accident"...?

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FORT WORTH — A 72-year-old man was fatally shot as Fort Worth police investigated an alarm call early Tuesday morning in a neighborhood near Woodhaven County Club.

According to Fort Worth police, the alarm call came just before 1 a.m. in the 400 block of North Havenwood Lane. But after arriving at the scene, officers became involved in a confrontation with a man armed with a gun who was across the street from where the alarm was going off.

Feeling threatened, at least one officer fired at the man, who was later identified as Jerry Waller, police said. Waller was dead at the scene, in his own garage.

"It's just awful," said former City Council member Becky Haskin, who lives nearby. "It's a sad, sad accident."
The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's office said the cause of Waller's death was "multiple gunshot wounds."

Haskin said she and her husband heard five shots. "They were just rapid-fire, one after the other, and my husband said, 'That's a police officer,'" Haskin said.

Haskin said there was no sign of a burglary at the home and that the alarm may have triggered accidentally.

"I was told that the police officers were sobbing uncontrollably," she said.

Two officers involved in the shooting have been placed on routine administrative leave as the major case unit investigates.

Fort Worth police spokeswoman Tracey Knight called it a "horrible tragedy."

"It was horrible for the homeowner. A family has lost a loved one that can never be replaced," she said. "An officer has gone through an incident that no officer wants to go through."


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This entire story really ticks me off!
How many trigger happy cops are the police academy's producing nowadays??
 
I'm sure these officers feel horrible, but they ignored one of the cardinal rules of firearms safety: KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT

They very obviously did not take the time to identify whether this man was a threat or not.
 
I'm sure these officers feel horrible, but they ignored one of the cardinal rules of firearms safety: KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT

They very obviously did not take the time to identify whether this man was a threat or not.

I'm pretty sure that the family of the deceased elderly victim really don't give a damn how the cops in question are 'feeling'.
This is a case of 'Manslaughter' or 'Negligent Homicide' imvho.

The cop/s who is/are responsible needs to lose his badge and face a jury of his peers in this case imo.

Maybe these cops had recently been trained on these types of targets??
A scary thought indeed.

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Let me preface by stating that I am not taking the side of the officers in this case. It very much looks like a case of a couple of rookies, whose training was either inadequate or simply not learned, who made a horrific mistake. Having said that, there are a number of possibilities, not mentioned in the article, which could mitigate the circumstances of this shooting, or even justify it. A man with a gun in his hand can become a clearly articulable threat in an instant. Did Mr. Waller raise his gun towards the officers? Mr. Waller is reported as 72 years old. Is it possible that he was hard of hearing? That he didn't hear (or didn't understand) the officers announce themselves as police? Put yourself in the officer's place for a moment. You are investigating a break-in alarm in the middle of the night. Directly across the street you see a man in or near the open garage. You have no idea that this man is the resident of that home (though in fairness, they had no idea that he wasn't the resident either). You approach, identifying yourself as police. You see he has a gun in his hand. He raises the gun...
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I will reserve judgment until all the information is out. For right now it looks very bad for the officers in question. I think with more experienced officers this situation might not have resulted in a shooting. Another question I would ask is why do they have two rookies paired together on patrol? If it turns out these officers were just plain screwed up and trigger-happy then they should suffer the criminal and civil penalties for that.
 
If it a citizen who was a licensed carry had done this he would be in jail facing murder charges. But since he was a cop it's only a "terrible accident."
 
I have to wonder why 2 rookies are riding together instead of them being paired with more experienced officers. Newbies always draw the worst duty, but at what cost and who's cost. Just saying this could have all gone so differently with cooler heads in play with more than just a few months experience on the job.
 
If it a citizen who was a licensed carry had done this he would be in jail facing murder charges. But since he was a cop it's only a "terrible accident."

My point exactly!
Cop's should not be 'above' the same laws that us citizen taxpayers must always abide by imvho.
 
Police officers have a higher credibility than the average citizen. They have too. If not every time someone got a ticket it would be their word vs the cops and the judge would have to throw it out.

Without getting sucked into the debate over good cops vs bad cops, I think that they are handeling this situation correctly. Place the officers on leave and investigate. The same thing they always do.
 
Police officers have a higher credibility than the average citizen. They have too. If not every time someone got a ticket it would be their word vs the cops and the judge would have to throw it out.

Without getting sucked into the debate over good cops vs bad cops, I think that they are handeling this situation correctly. Place the officers on leave and investigate. The same thing they always do.

The problem with your statement above is that in this particular case, the cop didn't just give the elderly man 'a ticket'....The cop shot the old man dead while he was on his own property!! That is a HUGE difference from just getting a damn 'ticket'!

The trigger happy cop must be held responsible.
His 'crying apology' does not cut it and his supposed 'higher credibility' is not valid in this case imho.

If that elderly man who was killed by these cops in his own garage was 'your' dad, I'm pretty damn sure that you would be singing a very different tune about these cops 'higher credibility'.
 
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Police officials said Tuesday it wasn’t clear how two responding officers — identified by police as Richard A. Hoeppner and Benjamin B. Hanlon — ended up at Waller’s house. They encountered him with a pistol inside or near his garage. One or both officers opened fire, hitting Waller multiple times.
Officials said the officers — both of whom graduated from the police academy last November — identified themselves to Waller, but felt threatened.
"When I went out there, the place was totally dark," said Kathy Waller, theLink Removed. "All I could see were flashlights.”
She said her husband might have mistaken the officers for burglars, just as they apparently mistook him for a suspect.
“They just came down my driveway, flashing lights, and he thought it was burglars going after his car,” Mrs. Waller said Tuesday night.
The family released a statement Wednesday that said they were "deeply troubled by the police department misrepresenting details of the incident in their interviews with the media," and that Jerry Waller's body was found in his own garage.
"We were disturbed by suggestions that police may have felt threatened by a man in his own garage faced with unknown trespassers wielding flashlights," the family's statement read. "We look forward to a full investigation of this terrible incident that will lead to meaningful steps to ensure that nothing like this will happen again."

Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price released this written statement on Wednesday evening:
"No words can describe the pain the Waller family is going through, and I hope we all continue to pray for this family who’s lost a husband, father and grandfather. I'm also praying for the officers involved in this terrible tragedy. There are a lot of unanswered questions, but I know this incident will be thoroughly reviewed from every angle. I talked with Chief [Jeff] Halstead, and he assured me there would be a full and transparent investigation — that's what I expect, and that's what this family deserves."
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Added this from the story source. I can see how this happened now. This in no way excuses the cops but they should have been riding with more experienced officers.
It is a sad story. Know your target because you own every bullet that goes down range. If that applies to us it should apply to them!


 
ha, what makes you think that the guy who shoots at you first will MISS? If I shoot at you first, you will be most unlikely to be doing any shooting whatsoever, much less hitting. The old man was a fool, stumbling around out there, gun in hand. probably a longarm, can't be put out of sight when you see the cops. In most states, you have no right to go out to your car, armed, merely to stop a burglary of that car. The reason for those laws is stuff like this happens, and it's for no good reason. Big deal, either its a junk car or you've got it insured, right?
 
ha, what makes you think that the guy who shoots at you first will MISS? If I shoot at you first, you will be most unlikely to be doing any shooting whatsoever, much less hitting. The old man was a fool, stumbling around out there, gun in hand. probably a longarm, can't be put out of sight when you see the cops. In most states, you have no right to go out to your car, armed, merely to stop a burglary of that car. The reason for those laws is stuff like this happens, and it's for no good reason. Big deal, either its a junk car or you've got it insured, right?

You sir are an idiot! I would NEVER go outside without my gun if I thought there was someone out there with criminal intent. If they are a BG then they just could have intent to do me harm to do their crime. What would you go out there with, spit balls????? Perhaps years ago your simple presence would scare someone away but now days BGs will shoot you for a stick of gum!!!!

I think we have a troll here!
 
My question, what were TWO rookie cops doing reporting to the scene of a break in? Shouldn't they be traveling with a veteran cop to avoid things like this?
 
Police officers have a higher credibility than the average citizen. They have too. If not every time someone got a ticket it would be their word vs the cops and the judge would have to throw it out.

Without getting sucked into the debate over good cops vs bad cops, I think that they are handeling this situation correctly. Place the officers on leave and investigate. The same thing they always do.

Depends on what happens after the "investigation". My bet is next to nothing.

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"A sad, sad accident"...?

The media sure is milking that "I felt threatened" thing. How about saying "officer felt his life was in danger?" Looks like they'll be going after police guns next. Then DHS will have them all.
 

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