A Realistic look at Conceal Carry

cluznar

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Conceal Carry is for people to have a Defensive position if they are attacked.
Forget all the Dirty Harry and Old West hype.

Many times you will have no idea when an armed bad person will decide to use a gun. You could be in a convenient store when a guy pulls a gun on the cashier and demands money. Now if this happens, you must think, has the bad guy noticed you? If so be careful because he might be keeping an eye on you. If he is aware of you can you pull your weapon and stop him without getting killed? Remember, you have no idea how well a bad guy can shoot. Is it worth taking the chance? Or do you let him run with the money? now if he starts shooting that's another story.

Say he has not seen you, you must then try and determine if he is anxious to start shooting, does he look psyched up, is he nervous, angry? Since he has not seen you, you can more easily draw your weapon and aim. BUT, do you tell him to drop his gun or let him walk out with the money? If you shoot is there any chance of hitting the clerk or anyone else? Naturally if he starts shooting you fire.

Every situation is different, you must size up the situation as quickly as possible and make a good decision.
Remember it's not failure to let the bad guy walk, but it is failure to shoot and hit an innocent person. Do you want a gunfight? How many other people are around? If you tell him to drop his gun and he whirls to shoot at you are you ready to take him down? There must be no indecision once you pull your gun. You must be ready to use it with no hesitation if something happens.

Bad guys do not ask you to face them out in the street at 20 paces for a gunfight.
You also can not be as reckless as Dirty Harry, you must use more logic as to whether or not to get involved in a gunfight.

So leave the Bravado talk in the forums and use good judgement in a real situation.

:victory:
 
Good points clunzar. My thoughts are I carry for personal protection for myself and my family. If I or my family is not directly threatened I would let the BG hopefully just rob the place and leave and call 911 if possible.

If I could, I would keep my weapon out of sight, and if the BG did come our way with his gun pointed at us and attempted to rob us, that is another story that I hope I never have to play out.
 
I would like to think I would have the ability to stand down unless the situation escalates to the point where my life is in danger. My intent is not to save the world but to protect myself and my family from harm.
 
Unless a threat is directly presented to me, I would just observe the situation. I have no desire to be a cop. However, if the threat presents itself, it should be eliminated.
 
I agree. But I have always contemplated the scenario of he looks like he is leaving then turns to get rid of witnesses. If I was just letting him leave then he turned I have lost my advantage. See in most gun fights are won by one person having the advantage over the other. Whatever it may be. He is a threat has a gun and has decided I or others in the store do not scare him. I have a hard time giving up my advantage. Whats everyone think here.
 
Conceal Carry is for people to have a Defensive position if they are attacked.
Forget all the Dirty Harry and Old West hype.

Many times you will have no idea when an armed bad person will decide to use a gun. You could be in a convenient store when a guy pulls a gun on the cashier and demands money. Now if this happens, you must think, has the bad guy noticed you? If so be careful because he might be keeping an eye on you. If he is aware of you can you pull your weapon and stop him without getting killed? Remember, you have no idea how well a bad guy can shoot. Is it worth taking the chance? Or do you let him run with the money? now if he starts shooting that's another story.

Say he has not seen you, you must then try and determine if he is anxious to start shooting, does he look psyched up, is he nervous, angry? Since he has not seen you, you can more easily draw your weapon and aim. BUT, do you tell him to drop his gun or let him walk out with the money? If you shoot is there any chance of hitting the clerk or anyone else? Naturally if he starts shooting you fire.

Every situation is different, you must size up the situation as quickly as possible and make a good decision.
Remember it's not failure to let the bad guy walk, but it is failure to shoot and hit an innocent person. Do you want a gunfight? How many other people are around? If you tell him to drop his gun and he whirls to shoot at you are you ready to take him down? There must be no indecision once you pull your gun. You must be ready to use it with no hesitation if something happens.

Bad guys do not ask you to face them out in the street at 20 paces for a gunfight.
You also can not be as reckless as Dirty Harry, you must use more logic as to whether or not to get involved in a gunfight.

So leave the Bravado talk in the forums and use good judgement in a real situation.

:victory:


How many bad guys have you gone up against?
 
You have decisions to make. YOU are armed which gives you the chance to survive against an armed bad guy. However, being armed does not change the bad guy unless he knows you have a gun. There is a good chance in his mind the bad guy already has an idea if he wants to shoot people. In this situation you must realize it could escalate at any second, and if it does you better make the right move. Will the bad guy shoot the clerk and any witness he see's? If he has seen you you may need to slowly move yout hand closer to your gun. If he looks to start shooting you then need to be able to draw your gun and fire, using any cover you have to give you the advantage.

If he does not know you are there, you better have your weapon out and ready. Should he shoot the clerk you can then shoot him. See, in a confrontation with a bad guy you MUST know how to be able to handle it if shooting starts. Many times bad guys don't want to shoot, just get the money and run. BUT, there is always a chance he is a bit of a psycho and wants to take some target practice at people. SO do not be too passive, yet do not get carried away with your gun. Know in your mind that anyone pointing a gun could end up killing you. Have a plan in your head for shooting the bad guy if needed. If he see's you, like I said move your hand slowly closer to your gun. And if he turns toward you know how you can jump behind cover while drawing your weapon. If he does not know you are there, draw your weapon and be ready for whatever happens. If shooting starts, DO NOT be too passive, be thinking of hitting center mass and make good shots.

It is all your decision, the bad guy has a gun, be sure you have a plan in your head on how to handle this. Be too nice and he may drop you where you stand. Remember when a bad guy realizes you are armed his mind set can easily change to one of anger because you are a challenge to him, or one of being scared which could make him shoot even though he wanted to carry it off without shooting.

Know how you are going to handle the perp and once you pull your gun don't hesitate or change your mind and try to be to nice. This is your life you are betting with.

Even if you pull a .44 Magnum and say "Go ahead Punk, Make my Day! He could duck and whirl while he shoots you or at you. It is serious business in a confrontation with a bad guy, no time to be wishy-washy.
 
I am not to sure in a real threat situation that I am considering a psyc evaluation. I believe you have to take the advantage. However you can. I am looking to no matter what.
 
You must be looking to win, however all this evaluation must run through your head fast as you size things up. The bad guy has a gun and you have a gun, you want to be the last guy standing. There must be no doubt or hesitation when it comes time to shoot.

When people armed with guns have a conflict it is likely someone will die. Are you ready to take this on? If you are not then maybe you should not carry concealed. Do not be foolish, but if you have to shoot, do it.

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Hey OP , you were asked a very specific question, "How many bad guys have you gone up against?".

I think it a fair and relevant question. You come in here playing the expert we’d like to see your curriculum vitae.
With out it this is just a bunch of hot air
 
I truly hope none of us is ever put into a situation of haveing to take another life, but what I really wounder about is the self proclaimed experts, on here and other forums, that seem tp know exactly what the BG is going to do and what he himself is going to do at any given moment during a encounter, I cannot speak for all but a good bet is if some you so called sheepdogs were in a c store and a couple of BGs came in with shotguns you would be runnin and hiding, and another thing, I know no one can predict what may happen, but some have said if they or there family was not in danger they would take off and call 911, but think of this, if it was your daughter behind the counter and had a gun to her head and this robber looked like he may or may not shoot, I know you can not be sure, but if a guy or lady was in there with there weapon, and had the chance to get the drop on the shooter, would you want him running off, because it wasn't his "family"
 
No two scenarios are ever going to be exactly the same folks.
Nobody can ever truly answer any unknown situation with a definative answer on how they would or would not react.

I.m.h.o. the best things that we can do as armed citizens is;

1) Train and practice regularly with our sidearm's of choice.
2) Know our sidearms inside & out.
3) Always be aware of our surroundings.
4) Avoid trouble whenever possible.
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5) If the $hit ever hits the fan, then you do what you must do to survive.
6) Be prepared to live with the consequences of your actions or non actions.
 
I do not think you have to worry much about innocent bystanders.
You might want to hold on to your underwear though. The suction caused by the mass exit of anyone in the building is going to cause a temporary vacuum.
And if this happens right in front of you and surprised you, what were you in la la land color code white?
 
Ability, Opportunity, Intent. Got all three? Drop him.
To prevent a robbery? Absurd advice. After dropping him he can hire an attorney for 60K.

Stay out unless you absolutely can't. Stay out unless the threat is so great that you must ruin your life to survive.

I must honestly say that any advice on how to "handle" the bad guy is a waste of time. NO ONE knows how they'll react until put in a situation. We can teach you a skill set but can never teach you how an incident will unfold.
 
It just seems like a good place for a quote;
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
 
Situational awareness is key. You must always be alert and aware of your surroundings. I don't think I would ever use my firearm to foil a robbery attempt, but if it comes down to my life or the BG's it's going to be the BG laying in the chalk line.
 

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