Of course it is "D" for me!! Just not for anyone else!
That was because so many in the media were so quick to villainies them, one day history will look back and say he was actually a good president. He made hard decisions, but he at least made them and did not stand by and try to pass feel good legislation to divert our attention.
As to torture, there is a time and place for everything, we did attempt to torture every person we captured, but reserved that for those with critical information. Information that could potentially save lives, prevent more terror attacks.
Let me ask you this, (I already know the answer) If your kid were captured and held hostage by one of those extremist head chopper's , and they had one of the ring leaders that knew just exactly where your child was but refused to speak, would you.....
A. Say torture is to extreme, even if it means the life of my loved one.
B. Say torture may be OK, it is a tool to be used when circumstances dictate..
C. Say torture is OK in this case... but to heck with any one else.
D. Be at the Ass Holes cell door with your craftsman tool box begging for the chance to make them tell where your kid is....
Come On it's D aint it....
That is exactly why we have the judicial system and not the old system of the local Sheriff and his posse "hangin'em high." I also know that, if banning legal gun ownership in this country would save the life of
my child, all of you (and me) would be on a fishing forum right now. I know that if banning all motorized vehicles would save the life of my wife, we would all be on a rodeo forum right now. The point is that we do what is
right, not what is easy or expedient. How about if your teenage son or daughter, in a moment of stupidity (like we have all had), were to run over someone because they were driving drunk, or playing with the radio, or racing a buddy. Should they be put to death? Objectively, most of us would say "No". However, were you to ask the parents of the eight year old girl that was killed, the answer would almost always be "Yes".
Believe me, Sheldon, I understand your argument completely. It is an issue that we all must wrestle with at some point. My feeling is simply that if we give up being the good guy, if we give up being a moral beacon, then we deserve what we get. Kind of like what we are getting now. We on this forum love to toss around quotes from the patriots who founded our Republic, especially Franklin and Jefferson. However, if you pay close attention to what they are saying, they acknowledge the cost of liberty. We pay for our liberty, our freedom, in blood. Remember, it is the blood of tyrants
and patriots that refresh the tree of liberty
That is why I say now that, if it means we get to keep the white hat (be the "good guys"), then we will pay for that privilege with the blood of our brothers, sisters, and especially our children. It has always been that way; it will always be that way. Doing the right thing is almost
always harder than doing the easy thing. That said, I do understand your feelings on the issue, I just can't, as a liberty loving patriot, agree with them.
I do have to disagree with you on the Bush legacy, however. I think that Clinton, Bush, and Obumma will
all be seen as usurpers of our liberties if/when we finally have to fight to restore them. You can judge a man 9or woman) by their sense of integrity. We have seen plenty of evidence that Clinton lied, Bush lied, and Obumma has lied. In fact, Obumma is beating the band considering the number of lies versus time in office.
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