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[handgonnetoter]

S&WM&P40 well your very lucky to have a shop like that near you. I've seen this type of thing many times in my own line of work (automotive) but even more so with firearms. The indoor place I shoot has lots of guns for sale and sell many so their prices are near Internet prices. They are a bunch of good guys and I've bought 4 or so guns there. Well problem is it's across state lines every time I purchase a gun there I have to go to a different place because they sell so many nobody wants to do their transfers. Luckily my cwp instructor has his ffl so now I just use him.

Yea, that sounds about right for around my area too. One time I wanted to order a Mosin Nagant from J&G Sales, but none of the shops around here would do the paperwork. They got all pissy about wanting to order it for me so that I would have to buy it at a marked up price from them. All of a sudden the great price from J&G was not such a great price once I paid the markup.:no:

 

[todbiker]

Your timing is perfect... deja vu

Yea, that sounds about right for around my area too. One time I wanted to order a Mosin Nagant from J&G Sales, but none of the shops around here would do the paperwork. They got all pissy about wanting to order it for me so that I would have to buy it at a marked up price from them. All of a sudden the great price from J&G was not such a great price once I paid the markup.:no:

Found this site that may help me out, but if you've already shopped all the dealerships locally, probably won't help you.

GunBroker.com - Search for FFL

Called a shop that I've bought several firearms in the past and basically got a no we won't do a transfer on guns we can order for you... and yes at their jacked up prices. BudsGunShop lists them in their FFL pulldown of dealers who will accept transfers, glad I called him first. :angryid a search and found the link above, you can search by state or zipcode for FFL's who do transfers for a fee. So.... I have to make some more calls, but it looks like it's going to cost me $50 for a transfer including $10 state police background check required here in Md. So I can still save SOME money depending on the discounted price. The other consideration is taxes of course. If it's an online purchase, will I have to pay taxes to Budsgunshop? And if not, will they hit me up in my homestate at the time of transfer? It's work saving money, but alas I hate overpaying for stuff.

 

[todbiker]

Correction

Called a shop that I've bought several firearms in the past and basically got a no we won't do a transfer on guns we can order for you... and yes at their jacked up prices. BudsGunShop lists them in their FFL pulldown of dealers who will accept transfers, glad I called him first.

in fairness to Budsgunshop, his list of FFL's is color coded, with colored names being shops that will accept all transfers and the regular black ones being case by case basis, you have to call the gunshop first and get their blessing. The I one picked was in black.

 

[todbiker]

info on some of FFL's on the list is no longer valid

Found this site that may help me out, but if you've already shopped all the dealerships locally, probably won't help you.

GunBroker.com - Search for FFL

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The link is valid, but some of the info. listed per FFL is old, for instance their transfer fees. So call or email them before using them for a purchase.

 

[Charles1951]

I really like my Walther PPS 9. If you are interested, I posted a blog on this site about my search for a CCW as a lefty.

Charles

 

[CPW1265]

I have a Glock 26 but that is only because its one of the better authorized firearms im allowed to carry off-duty. But i would go with the S&W M&P9C. I have a full size M&P9L and love it and i had a M&P40. They are the best guns made.

Don't comprimise safety for money. If you need to like many have said save up a little more and get what feels good not what you can afford. "You get what you pay for" i am a very strong advocate of this saying.

 

[Pokey]

I have a Glock 26 but that is only because its one of the better authorized firearms im allowed to carry off-duty. But i would go with the S&W M&P9C. I have a full size M&P9L and love it and i had a M&P40. They are the best guns made.

Don't comprimise safety for money. If you need to like many have said save up a little more and get what feels good not what you can afford. "You get what you pay for" i am a very strong advocate of this saying.

That sure is a strong opinion....I reckon many will disagree with that.:yes4:

 

[todbiker]

Thanks for your opinion and the work you do

I have a Glock 26 but that is only because its one of the better authorized firearms im allowed to carry off-duty. But i would go with the S&W M&P9C. I have a full size M&P9L and love it and i had a M&P40. They are the best guns made.

Don't compromise safety for money. If you need to like many have said save up a little more and get what feels good not what you can afford. "You get what you pay for" i am a very strong advocate of this saying.

I would like to test fire a few more models, but I'm limited to what's available for rent. The M&P9c is the strongest contender of the models I fired and S&W is supposed to have one of the best CS departments if there was ever a problem with it. No doubt for me the ergo's were a straight up winner over the glock 26 or the Springfield XD sub

At this point the real question is how small do I want to go. To get any smaller than the M&P I'm stepping into pocket pistol realm or at least single stack and if not justifying getting the M&P9c for it's carry size versus the Walter P99 I already own. Is it that much smaller than the Walther? Even holding guns side by side at a gun shop is deceiving because we can conceal different size weapons depending on our body type. S&W did just drop it's retail price on M&P's so that's not making my decision any easier. Locally I can get one for $520 plus taxes, SP background check $10 fee and a lock required for purchase, unless I want to go for the internal key lock, which I don't. (Online purchase is not an option because all the local dealers either refuse to do the transfer or charge $75+ dollar fee)

 

[todbiker]

PPS is really nice, however....

I really like my Walther PPS 9. If you are interested, I posted a blog on this site about my search for a CCW as a lefty.

Charles

I can't even find a dealer who stocks them to hold it. OK, Bass Pro Shop does, but I'm not getting near that place till after Xmas..:no:

The size of the gun is what draws me to it, particularly the thinness due to the single stack, making it almost a pocket pistol. I think 6+1 is a practical trade-off for it's size.

Also I own a P99 and love it, but it's a different beast.

I am a little disturbed by it's price, the mixed reviews floating around online and the feedback I've gotten from some gun dealers who don't stock it. It doesn't help that Walther cut costs by only supplying one mag.

How many rounds have you fired through yours, how do your carry it, and what's been your experience with FTF, FTE, or the dreaded slide locking back and refusing to close.

 

[CPW1265]

Thank you for your appreciation

I would like to test fire a few more models, but I'm limited to what's available for rent. The M&P9c is the strongest contender of the models I fired and S&W is supposed to have one of the best CS departments if there was ever a problem with it. No doubt for me the ergo's were a straight up winner over the glock 26 or the Springfield XD sub

At this point the real question is how small do I want to go. To get any smaller than the M&P I'm stepping into pocket pistol realm or at least single stack and if not justifying getting the M&P9c for it's carry size versus the Walter P99 I already own. Is it that much smaller than the Walther? Even holding guns side by side at a gun shop is deceiving because we can conceal different size weapons depending on our body type. S&W did just drop it's retail price on M&P's so that's not making my decision any easier. Locally I can get one for $520 plus taxes, SP background check $10 fee and a lock required for purchase, unless I want to go for the internal key lock, which I don't. (Online purchase is not an option because all the local dealers either refuse to do the transfer or charge $75+ dollar fee)

Well i myself am a little hefty (6'2" 260lb) so i really dont have much of a problem of concealing my firearm lol. But now if size is not an issue like me then go with what is conformatable to shoot and what you dont have to think twice if its going to work in the chance you need to use it. I cannot comment on the Walther because i have not held or shot one. One thing that can be a deal breaker is where you live because of the weather and what type of clothing you will be wearing. For example i live in NYC and we get both heat and cold. So i wear shorts or heavy jackets and jeans. So concealment is an issue more so in the summer. Usually in the summer i use a IWB holster from High Noon Holsters and in the winter i use anything from a shoulder holster, Blackhawk Serpa CQC, IWB, ankle, small of back, etc. So think of the weather that you have where you live and the type of clothes that you own and wear.
Another is what type of holster are you comfortable wearing? I know some dont like IWB because it pinches their skin, or pancakes because it weighs down their pants and so on and so forth for other holsters. It isnt CC if your fumbling with the holster in public or you can't conceal your firearm LOL

I carry everyday no matter where i go and what i wear including suits and no one including my girlfriend knows if i am carrying or not until afterwards when i take it off.
Hope this helps. if you want to talk more or have questions send me an email [email protected].

 

[handgonnetoter]

That sure is a strong opinion....I reckon many will disagree with that.:yes4:

Hey Pokey, you being a police officer, would you not get into trouble for having an Avitor of a clown faced Obama? I know when I was in the Marines I had not the same freedom of speech I have now.

 

[Charles1951]

I can't even find a dealer who stocks them to hold it. OK, Bass Pro Shop does, but I'm not getting near that place till after Xmas..:no:

The size of the gun is what draws me to it, particularly the thinness due to the single stack, making it almost a pocket pistol. I think 6+1 is a practical trade-off for it's size.

Also I own a P99 and love it, but it's a different beast.

I am a little disturbed by it's price, the mixed reviews floating around online and the feedback I've gotten from some gun dealers who don't stock it. It doesn't help that Walther cut costs by only supplying one mag.

How many rounds have you fired through yours, how do your carry it, and what's been your experience with FTF, FTE, or the dreaded slide locking back and refusing to close.

Yeah, I would definitely want to hold it. Better yet, shoot it if you can. For me it is much better than my Kel Tec PF9 on almost every level. I have fired it somewhere around 200 times using at least 7 different brands of practice ammo, some of it the cheap stuff, and not had any FTF or FTE or any other issues at all. Certainly not true of my Kel Tec which only seems to like Winchester.

Yes, it only comes with one mag (a 7 round) these days. I ordered a short 6 round mag so that with the short mag the PPS is the same height as the PF9. I actually pocket carry the PPS when I wear Dockers. It is too long to pocket carry in jeans but that is not a problem for me since in jeans I can wear my shirt tail out so I use an IWB with jeans.

As far as price, it is not much different than a Kahr PM9. Or much more than some sub-compacts like the M&P but for me the thinness is important enough. I don't think I could pocket carry an M&P 9c.

I guess I have not seen the bad press on the PPS. That might have slowed me down buying if I had seen it. What sold me was renting it at my local shooting range. It was flawless and accurate. Easy recoil compared to the PF9 because it is about 5 ounces heavier but still light enough for easy CCW daily use. Plus, I'm a lefty which was very important to me in my selection.

I still keep my M&P 40 fs ready for home defense but for EDC it's the Walther. I am a newbie at this but this my current comfort zone.

Good luck in your search.

Charles

 

[Usa007]

how about the Sig P290 9mm looks great on reviews but some have returned it due to hammer issues. Anyone have this pistol that can provide feedback?

 

[Cotillion]

I've spent months searching the exact same thing. If you're not rich, kel tec pf9 (250), or the db9 (350) however the diamondback is a newer gun and db has a bad rep of launching guns with lots of kinks.

If you are in the 400-600 range I ended up with the ruger Sr9c which is a beautiful gun, extremely low recoil, great for cc (10/1) and comes with a mag extension for range use which makes it 17/1, and cost about 400 bucks. Another great option is of course the m&p9c, however the trigger on the ruger felt much better to me, but to each his own. If you already have a full sized gun to fire for recreation or use handguns strictly for concealment then the kahr cm9 is amazing, reliable and feels great and is about 410 bucks also. Of course you also have the glock 26 option. Last trip to the gun store gen 3 was 399 and gen 4 was 460, and its really hard to go wrong with glock. There is no right choice for everyone though, i would never trade the Sr9c for anything.

 

[alternety]

I suggest you take a look at the Boberg Arms XR9-S. It is a game changer. Here is a link to a real nice set of photos an owner posted. Just brought home a new Boberg XR9-S - Ruger Forum

It shows an XR9-S aside of a Ruger SR9c. Informative for those that consider the Ruger a pocket carry.

High points: +P rated, low recoil, accurate, very nice trigger pull, significantly more muzzle energy than similarly sized pistols, brilliant new design, likely to be more durable that others, not fussy about ammo, good ergonomics, cures warts, surly increases potency. I would suggest you go to the bobergarms.com site and look around. He has a lot of comparisons to the outlines of other pistols and the XR9-S, performance, operation animations.

Negatives (depending on your viewpoint):
- Expensive ($950 intro price), less expensive than other less "best" competing pistols
- Does not lock open after last round. Not possible and not useful. The round is stripped from the magazine as the slide is moving back; not forward. If it locked open, you would have to close the bolt and then cycle it.
- Single stack, 7 + 1. Double stack or extend magazines are a possible future add-on/product.
- Limited sight options. Lasers are a probable future add-on. The manufacturers are reluctant to tool for a gun whose whole customer base is under 100 (300 in a couple of months). He is working on tritium. Sights are replaceable.
- No manual safety. It is DAO. Firing pin is blocked internally to prevent firing if dropped.
- No black slide available. Once he gets ahead of demand far enough and can batch a set of slides, he will probably offer them.
- Only 9mm. There will be more models. Different ammo is under active consideration. The big advantage that this design brings to even more powerful rounds is the significant reduction of felt recoil and increased usable muzzle energy. Feedback from people that have fired other small 9mm and others indicates this gun turns a painful experience into "hand me the next box of 500".

And yes; I have been on the order list since the beginning of 2010.

 

[alternety]

Duplicate - sorry.

 

[Usa007]

Sig p290 pistol or even go with the p238 .380 if you want reliable guns

 

[TlWheatley]

m*p9

Try kygunco.com ,prices are better on some guns ,unless your a member of buds VIP club

 

[Pinnacle Safety]

I love the M&P I considered the Ruger and XD also but in the end the M&P prevaled I went 40 and picked up the 9mm conversion barrel so Im extremly happy and I carried a 380 for yrs and still do depending on my attire

 

[Lowjiber]

LC9 works great for me.