10mm - EA Witness

Milto

Milto

Milto
All,

I just bought one of these because I don't feel that 9mm is enough fire power. I know, that is a can of worms itself, but I have been a .41mag person since about 15 years old. I am over 50 now, and I still like big Pistols / Revolvers. The problem is that yesterday was my first test of the gun, and I only shot 12 bullets. It jammed twice - not bad - and each one of the shells flew 20 to 25 yards away! Is this normal? I like the feel of the gun in my hand, and it seems to have the power I am looking for in a CCW, but I reload, and chasing down casings 25 yards away - they were all hard to find, let alone - one could almost make the claim that you could stop someone with just the casing flying out!!!
Is the spring too weak? I used factory loaded "Double Tap" ammo, and it all shot well.

Thoughts?
 
I have seen screens set up to stop wayward ejections. This was during some kind of competition. One guy had some kind of basket fixed to his semi auto. I don't remember what kind of firearm.
 
IMO, a better vehicle for the 10mm Auto is the Glock 20. I have a 2nd generation G20 and bought back in '93. Guess what? It's never failed... "knock on wood"...lol. In fact it hungrily gobbles up any kind of 10mm load. Consider a trade in:biggrin:
 
Milto said:
All,

I just bought one of these because I don't feel that 9mm is enough fire power. I know, that is a can of worms itself, but I have been a .41mag person since about 15 years old. I am over 50 now, and I still like big Pistols / Revolvers. The problem is that yesterday was my first test of the gun, and I only shot 12 bullets. It jammed twice - not bad - and each one of the shells flew 20 to 25 yards away! Is this normal? I like the feel of the gun in my hand, and it seems to have the power I am looking for in a CCW, but I reload, and chasing down casings 25 yards away - they were all hard to find, let alone - one could almost make the claim that you could stop someone with just the casing flying out!!!
Is the spring too weak? I used factory loaded "Double Tap" ammo, and it all shot well.

Thoughts?
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Any gun of mine that jams twice in 12 rounds is no longer my gun. Any carry gun thats performs as such should be carried as a boat anchor.
 
i agree. if u shot 12 rounds and it jamed 2 times.... the gun sucks. and why a 10mm, isnt a .45 enough gun?? to me a 10mm is like a pissing contest of who had the biggest gun. and will you really carry it everyday?

just my .2
 
10mm or .41 magnum

The OP stated he was a fan of the .41 magnum. The 10mm is barking right on the heels of that cartridge in performance. My guess would be he just likes the performance of the round. I do too. Is it a good carry round?? Probably not. It is a handfull and the guns designed for it are usually quite large. A full house 10mm load is more apt to over-penetrate a two legged animal. It is a suitable hunting round for deer and hog.
 
Hi! Thanks all for your comments. Gives thought to other things I hadn't considered. Since the gun is new, and even though I worked the action several times before I took it out to shoot, and took it all apart to make sure it was all clean / ready to use, I didn't think the jams were abnormal. My first 9mm did the same thing a few years ago. So did the first .22 semi auto. I hadn't planned on carrying it until I had worked it in, and gotten comfortable with handling it. As some of you stated, it seems a little high in power. Maybe I am just paranoid that 9mm isn't enough to stop a BG. I truly don't want to go through walls after a bg! Is 9mm enough?
 
Milto said:
Hi! Thanks all for your comments. Gives thought to other things I hadn't considered. Since the gun is new, and even though I worked the action several times before I took it out to shoot, and took it all apart to make sure it was all clean / ready to use, I didn't think the jams were abnormal. My first 9mm did the same thing a few years ago. So did the first .22 semi auto. I hadn't planned on carrying it until I had worked it in, and gotten comfortable with handling it. As some of you stated, it seems a little high in power. Maybe I am just paranoid that 9mm isn't enough to stop a BG. I truly don't want to go through walls after a bg! Is 9mm enough?
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I like the 10mm Auto cartridge... I like it.. a lot! However, it is expensive to shoot. I qualified with and carried my Glock 20 as my service weapon when I was a reserve deputy. Taking it to the range and/or qualifying with it was always quite expensive. The G20 is a large pistol... tough to conceal effectively and comfortably. Glock does make a sub compact version, the Glock 29 which would be easier to CC. However, I imagine that recoil in this firearm would be rather stout. I don't know as I haven't tried shooting one yet. It was probably designed more for hikers and joggers living in bear country. Anyway, I CC the smaller sub-compact Glock 27 chambered in .40 S&W (10mm short).... or as a lot of 10mm folks call it, .40 Short & Weak:biggrin: If you are not quite comfortable with the 9mm for protection you can always go with the .40 or .45 as options.
 
1. Contact EAA and tell them about the brass getting thrown 25 yards on ejection. Tell them the ammunition you were shooting, too, so they can get an idea of the slide speed involved. You may need to step you in recoil spring weight if you are going to shoot heavy loads. The gun may have been shipped with a 40S&W weight spring for all we know.

2.How were the rounds jamming? Stovepiping? Double feed? Failing to eject? Failing to extract? Bullet nose hanging up on the edge of the feed ramp?

Most jams are caused by 1 of 2 things. The magazine or human error. I'm not going to rush to judgment until there's some clarification on what's going on.

Glockster,
Not to try to start a fight or anything but you know there are actually folks that :blink:don't like Glocks:blink: and don't want anything to do with them. I, for example, am one of these people. I've shot and handled Glocks in every caliber except .380 and .357 Sig over the years and still have no interest whatsoever in owning one. They point poorly in my hand and every time I draw one, it is pointed in a new and different direction. I refuse to own a self defense pistol that won't point straight naturally in my hand, therefore, a Glock isn't the answer for me.

We realize that you are a BIG Glock fan (the name is a dead give away) but a Glock is NOT the one and only answer for everyone. Try answering the actual question rather than just saying, "Sell it and buy a Glock," sometime.
 
jtg452 said:
1. Contact EAA and tell them about the brass getting thrown 25 yards on ejection. Tell them the ammunition you were shooting, too, so they can get an idea of the slide speed involved. You may need to step you in recoil spring weight if you are going to shoot heavy loads. The gun may have been shipped with a 40S&W weight spring for all we know.

2.How were the rounds jamming? Stovepiping? Double feed? Failing to eject? Failing to extract? Bullet nose hanging up on the edge of the feed ramp?

Most jams are caused by 1 of 2 things. The magazine or human error. I'm not going to rush to judgment until there's some clarification on what's going on.

Glockster,
Not to try to start a fight or anything but you know there are actually folks that :blink:don't like Glocks:blink: and don't want anything to do with them. I, for example, am one of these people. I've shot and handled Glocks in every caliber except .380 and .357 Sig over the years and still have no interest whatsoever in owning one. They point poorly in my hand and every time I draw one, it is pointed in a new and different direction. I refuse to own a self defense pistol that won't point straight naturally in my hand, therefore, a Glock isn't the answer for me.

We realize that you are a BIG Glock fan (the name is a dead give away) but a Glock is NOT the one and only answer for everyone. Try answering the actual question rather than just saying, "Sell it and buy a Glock," sometime.
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Of course I realize that... I used them as an example in my previous post. It was not meant to try and persuade someone into buying something that might not be for them. I respect your opinion and realize that there are a lot of folks who actually "hate" Glock pistols. And I don't have a problem with it. I have good friends that don't care for Glocks. There are pistols out there that don't feel good in my hand and don't work for me. No problem. By the way, I never told the OP to "buy a Glock". I did however express my opinion which was to suggest that the G20 would be a better choice for the 10mm. That is of course "my" opinion.
 
i feel that a 9mm will be a great ccw gun, imo i carry a .40 cal. no gun will get you the one shot kill, well other than a .50ae or a well placed shot, but that wont be for sure a one stop shot. +p is awesome for the 9mm, but if u want a bigger bullet look into a .40 or a good .45 round. just think about the time that i hope never happens to you, can u place 3-4 rounds of 10mm in a rapin fire situation?? if no i would consider somthing smaller that u can get as many rounds on target as possible. also look into ammo that your police dept uses and what they carry. never hurts to ask a cop, they do more testing than i have time for. thats one thing i did.

hope it helps!!!
 
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Hi again. Last post someone asked me how my new 10mm jammed. The first three shots fired well. The fourth seemed to hang up - bullet nose into the feed ramp - or just a little crooked. I dropped the magazine, pulled the slide back just once, and the bullet fell out. The same thing happened just two rounds later. I put the two rounds back into the magazine since they weren't damaged and the final six went off without any glitches. I also was wondering if the spring was too weak - like a .40 spring - I will check with the gunshop where I got it - they have a range there also, so I can get some help there too.

Thanks again for all your comments!
Milto
 
Milto said:
Hi again. Last post someone asked me how my new 10mm jammed. The first three shots fired well. The fourth seemed to hang up - bullet nose into the feed ramp - or just a little crooked. I dropped the magazine, pulled the slide back just once, and the bullet fell out. The same thing happened just two rounds later. I put the two rounds back into the magazine since they weren't damaged and the final six went off without any glitches. I also was wondering if the spring was too weak - like a .40 spring - I will check with the gunshop where I got it - they have a range there also, so I can get some help there too.

Thanks again for all your comments!
Milto
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The failure to feed (FTF) sounds like either a mag problem or you limp wristed it. The lips of the mag may need to be played with (opened up slightly in the front) or it may just be new. Contacting the gun shop isn't going to help much, they just sold the gun and won't have the details of what spring was put in at the factory. Email EAA, they will be able to help you on the matter.
 
I'd take it to a competent gunsmith for a looksee. Mine went just over 1200 rounds before its first failure (FTE). Its now over the 2000 mark without another failure of any kind.
 
NEK, thank you for your reply. You are the first to reply with another EA Witness 10mm. Does yours eject 20 to 25 yards? I think that is at the root of the problem, and I will ask that when I take it in to a gunsmith. I have shot it a few times since the first two ejection jams, and it seems to be working a lot smoother, but I am still not understand the far ejections. I reload, and chasing down the empties is interesting to say the least besides the concern over whether it may be a .40 spring instead of a 10mm. EA does make both. Thank you.
 
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